do you think a catholic can use a KJV bible. I have a friend and he said the best bible to use is the one your reading! What do you think?
I'm reading the New Jerusalem bible which is a Catholic translation. I has a New International Version NIV for many years before my proper return across the tiber, I believe that's ok also.
Why play for the Second Division when you can play for the Premier. The Protestant so called Bibles have kicked out the parts they didn't happen to like. There only is such a thing as a Catholic Bible. What they call Protestant Bibles are Catholics Bibles that have suffered amputation.
The answer is NO!! The KJV and various other bibles (sadly even some Catholic bibles) altered the original translation from the Latin Vulgate even going so far as removing or changing the name of Christ. Why would you do this when there is great power in His name. If they change or remove even one item, then I stay clear because what else was altered. Here is a great site on this. http://www.realdouayrheims.com/ more detail is here: http://www.realdouayrheims.com/versionschart.htm
Even some modern 'Catholic', Bibles are to my mind a little, well unsatisfying. One thing I hate is when they kill the poetry and beauty. The translators used to take time to find the beautiful apt word. Being too prosaic is a bit, I think like nailing the Bible to a Cross. Parts of the bible like the psalms or the Song of Songs or the Magnificat are meant to be poetry or song. What a pity to kill this off.
Definitely not. That would be the same as saying a Catholic can attend ANY christian church. Your friend has obviously not taken the important step of researching the history of the Holy Bible. The LEAST retranslated Bibles are much different than the newer (dumbed-down) versions. I stick with the Douay-Rheims.
Oakline, Have you been reading the King James for a long time? Are there certain passages that are meaningful and that you have committed to heart? Is it a bible given to you by a loved one? These would be valid reasons to keep and treasure such a bible because it nourished in your heart a love for God's Word. However, other members have brought up concerns that are valid. Besides my Catholic bibles which are my mainstays, I have a KJV and Amplified Bible at home. I used to have an New International Version, but, the footnotes proved to be heretical and anti-Catholic in places. So I got rid of that one. Do watch out for footnotes in Protestant translations since they will often attack our most precious truths, such as the Eucharist. Some verses from the King James I have memorized by putting them into a chant. This is from Psalm 71. I love the word habitation because it speaks of making God my home, like abiding in the Sacred Heart: Be thou my strong habitation, where unto I may continually resort. Thou hast given commandment to save me for thou are my rock and my fortress...and thou shall increase my greatness and comfort me on every side.
You are so right, Padraig. I have memorized the following from the Canticle of Canticles in the Douay-Rheims: Show me O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou liest at midday, least I begin to wander after the flocks of thy companions. The Song of Songs is just that and should be clothed in poetic language! John 8:32 If you make my word your home, you will indeed be my disciples. You will come to know the truth and the truth will et you free!
Advise taken, I'm moving to Douay-Rheims. Going to use this link until I get a hard copy. haydock has some great commentary. http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id761.html
Hi Terry, I am curious, how is your newly ordained son? Have they sent him off anywhere interesting? Perhaps they are keeping him in Rome for further studies? Funnily enough I heard the Song of Songs mentioned on Radio the other day, but as a simple human love poem , rather than as a mystical commentary on the souls dance with God. It set me back a little and kinda punctured it a little, for I have never thought of it that way. I have a huge illustrated Douay Rheims by my bedside. My parents got it as a wedding present. It delights me.
Padraig, Due to his linguistic skills in German, Spanish, and Italian, I never thought the Legion would send Benjamin back to the States. But he actually heads up the international program at a private Catholic middle and high school outside of Detroit, MI. He also serves as the school chaplain and celebrates Holy Mass for the consecrated women serving in the area. If we push hard we are able to make it out to see him in one day's drive. A whole lot easier than flying over the ocean! Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
So then, if you have, as was mentioned above, an NIV bible with heretical notes, or a KJV bible, and decide to get rid of it - how is that done appropriately? It surely wouldn't be right to throw the Gospels in the bin. Would burning the bible be OK? (Sounds crazy when I type it!!) But it's a genuine query - how does one appropriately 'get rid' of a Bible you'd rather not have under your roof??
Give it away or let it in a local baptist church or bown again church ! I would eat it before I burn a bible hahahaha !
Let me provide one very important biblical verse to show why the Catholic bible is essential for authentic translation. A rather drastic change in who will crush the head of Satan. Other versions use the word "he" in place of "she". We as Catholics know that Mary will crush the serpents (Satan's) head. Douay-Rheiems bible: Genesis 3:11 [11] And he said to him: And who hath told thee that thou wast naked, but that thou hast eaten of the tree whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat? [12] And Adam said: The woman, whom thou gavest me to be my companion, gave me of the tree, and I did eat. [13] And the Lord God said to the woman: Why hast thou done this? And she answered: The serpent deceived me, and I did eat. [14] And the Lord God said to the serpent: Because thou hast done this thing, thou art cursed among all cattle, and beasts of the earth: upon thy breast shalt thou go, and earth shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. [15] I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. Now the King James bible: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Torrentum, A good question, though I didn't mean to imply the destruction of said book. I simply may donate it to a Protestant friend who is having a used book sale- something along that line. Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
Fatima, If I may interject something here. The Douay-Rheiems happens to be an English translation of Saint Jerome's Latin Vulgate translation (4th c.). The text of that particular verse in Latin requires a feminine gender, and thus in English we utilize "her" and "she". However, if one utilizes The RSV Catholic Edition, the English translation is taken directly from the original languages: Hebrew and Greek. These languages do not require a feminine gender, and thus a variant, but linguistically correct, translation is given: "...he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." The footnote in my New American Catholic Edition has this to say: ...Irenaeus of Lyons(ca. A.D. 130-200) in his Against Heresies 5.21.1, followed by other Fathers of the Church, interpreted the verse as referring to Christ, and cited Gal 3:19 and4:4 to support the reference. Another interpretive translation is ipsa, "she," and is reflected in Jerome's Vulgate. "She" was thought to refer to Mary, the mother of the messiah. In Christian art Mary is sometimes depicted with her foot on the head of the serpent. Without pulling hairs, I think both translations are fine. Jesus, the seed, is the one who ultimately crushes the sepent's head. The Vulgate and Douay-Rheiems emphasize that He chooses to do this through Our Lady. And I daresay, Mary seeks the help of our prayers in her victory! The more, the merrier! Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
