Locutions to the World

Well, it does seem though that throughout the locutions Mary still calls for the Consecration of Russia over and over which could mean that even with her chosen man for Pope his own free will is still involved and he would gradually come to know more of what the Holy Spirit desires. JPII was also her chosen one, a gift for her from the Father, and yet he did not Consecrate Russia by name as requested to head off a lot of the evil we have today. And it would also seem like we have a role to play in order to urge this consecration since we too make up this Church....and the whole Church is not prepared for the real challenges to come. With all of her emphasis of now coming on the scene especially as "The Woman Clothed With the Sun" with that power it seems that all of the Church needs to recognize her now in this powerful role and we can't survive without her help. We just can't do it without her....that's what the Church needs to recognize now more than ever. She's also said that it's important that the Church, under Pope Francis, draws the world to the Church.....perhaps a step that comes before the Consecration, but this still isn't what will prepare the Church for the overwhelming dangers it has to face.

This was also said: He will be the pope of Fatima and bring to fruition all of the gifts of Fatima, just in time to prepare the Church and the world for the Satanic onslaught.

So is she saying in both that only fulfilling her requests at Fatima will the Church be able to face this onslaught?

My pope will lead the Church on a new path. He will say to all, “This is the way we must walk”. Even though he is the pope, many will not agree. Many, and I stress this, many will oppose him and even threaten him.

.....The rock of Peter will now enter into great storms. These are not internal storms within the Church but the external storms that will come upon the modern world. I want my Church to be ready.

So all these internal workings or making it a more welcoming Church to the world still won't be the answer for the onslaught of Satan.....only in recognizing her role now will save us. Just my few cents worth.

 

Perhaps also it will ultimately take her predicted martyrdom of Pope Francis in Jerusalem to make the real difference for the Church in these times. Telling us not to count on the Church on its own, without fulfilling her wishes, as enough to fight off the onslaught of Satan. Guess we'll have to wait and see....and pray.

 

Something I would point out: At the time when Pope Benedict resigned, and we were waiting for the next Pope -- who turned out to be Pope Francis -- she had made the statement that her Pope would be martyred in Jerusalem; but on going back and reading carefully, I came to realize she wasn't necessarily saying it would that next Pope -- Francis. Just that it would be a Pope, or her Pope.

There was another message I was reading this morning as I was catching up, where she was referring to the one she was raising up who would carry out what she wanted, who would enable things to come to pass as was needed, and once again, she did not say that it would be Pope Francis.

There may be someone else we don't know yet, who will fulfill these prophecies.

Here is one example where she refers to "him" -- without name -- from October 2nd, 2014:

She's made this same kind of reference before.

And in the quote I saw posted from last April, it didn't sound to me that Pope Francis was going to be "the man". April 14th, 2014:

So the Pope who is martyred may not be Pope Francis, and that martyr may not be the same person who is referred to in the above quote (although I would guess it is). It just depends on how long it takes before all this actually comes to pass. Pope Francis made a cryptic remark this last year that he doesn't expect to live very long -- does he actually know something about that?

Has she called Pope Francis the "Pope of Fatima" in the LTTW? Maybe she said that and I missed it, I have read many of the messages, but not all. And as a new member here, I haven't read every post in this thread, so please forgive me if I am jumping in out of context.

These locutions are just a special interest of mine, and I've been trying to discern them for myself. Most of the time they seem very credible, and I'm considering them seriously, although there have been two sticking points for me that haven't seemed quite right -- one being her reference to the George Washington vision story, when Snopes calls that a false tale, insisting that everyone back in the day of original publication knew that it was intended as purely fiction. ???

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/vision.asp

 

'Tis a puzzlement. That's for sure. But I wouldn't place that much trust in the left leaning, non-traditionalist Snopes. They have been known to skimp on the research for ulterior motives.

I guess I weigh things on logic, at least for the moment. And it would seem odd that the "next conclave" is the one spoken of even before the resignation of Benedict and that further references to a Pope sometime out there yet in the future would seem to undermine the current one chosen by the Holy Spirit, her Spouse.

Re: Benedict as the bridge between two "great" Popes, Jesus says: (and "they" don't seem to always use the proper name when using the term Pope)

He is the bridge between the two great popes. He provided the needed time of transition from one to the other. Now that Benedict’s time is completed, I can raise up the one who will complement Pope John Paul II, who saw his mission but knew the pope would not live to see its fulfillment.

What remains to be done to bring the Church into the third millennium? Certainly, the world is in the third millennium and Pope John Paul II was the pope to open that millennium. However, the Church has not yet found its way. In spite of these two great popes, John Paul and Benedict, and the Church is slipping behind not keeping pace. I must give the Church a new role, a surprising role, so that the whole world will see that the Church does not follow the world but is far ahead of the world. This can happen only by the intervening power of God in world events.

So, it seems that even all the "great" Popes cannot prepare the Church for such times and heaven must intervene no matter who is Pope.

And then Mary speaks: See this papal election for what it truly is. My motherly heart, which foresees all that is ahead, is placing my favorite son, my beloved one, on the Chair of Peter.

Then after speaking of Benedict's resignation Jesus says: Now, I must bring another pope to the Chair of Peter. He will have a different goal, one that Benedict truly shares and deeply believes in. As I placed a great light of learning in Benedict, so I have placed the great light of my mother in the new pope. His heart is filled with Mary. He lives in her and, literally, breathes in her. Her name is always on his lips. She is the one who has prepared and chosen him from the beginning. Like Benedict, he will bring to the Chair of Peter exactly what I have placed in his heart. He will not see himself bringing his own talents. He knows they are too little. He carries Fatima in his heart. That will be his first gift. He also carries Jerusalem in his heart. That is his second gift. When he has given those two gifts to the Church, his papacy will be completed, just as Benedict’s is now complete.

So who knows for sure. I suppose we will just have to wait and see....and pray to do our part.

 

Imhave

I have been reading and trying to discern these locutions for quite some time, and do not remember ever reading this message from April - but perhaps I overlooked it. Still discerning.......

 

Now that I've begun rereading a lot of these.....here Jesus speaks to this Pope after Benedict acknowledging his short time:
There will be new treasures and new directions, all given quickly in a short period of time that will mark this papacy.

And a couple (at least) of well respected servants of the Faith both believe that the entire chaos and storm will be over by the end of 2017 (an important year for many reasons). Francis feels 2 or 3 years?!! And it could be that by that time a new Pope would more than likely have to elected underground....with the Church.

 

You know lynnfiat, the website isn't the best. I called the good Msgr Esseff and told him that if you look at the pages vertically you do not get all the messages sometimes, but if you look at them horizontally, more messages come up!! Uggg. They are now in book form, which is good, but as I print them out I always look and make sure I have them ALL....

 

snopes is a liberal rag. Don't believe everything on there--at all!

 

Is Msgr Esseff still involved with these locutions? I noticed his name and picture removed a few months back and thought he was no longer associated because of this. But I never heard of the reason why.

God Bless!

 

I believe they have to pass through him in some way or another before they are released....since the locutionist is under his direction. And I assume that he either gives the commentary on each or has to approve.

 

P.S. And I believe that he was getting too many questions about them from people noticing his name previously and is busy with so many other things that he took off the reference to himself. He has his own blog.

 

Earthtoangels is correct. These are now world wide and he is in his 80's. He also travels and 'might' run a parish, I'm not sure about the parish, but I know he travels and ministers to seminarians.

 

I have some doubts about LTTW, especially when it spreads messages about politics and so on, which in my opinion are topics that the Virgin would not discuss. These messages, for example, state that Putin would be a puppet of Satan. I've never seen any Marian message clearly indicating someone as evil. This sounds strange to me. Moreover, I couldn't see how America could be Jesus' favorite nation according to these (american, by the way) locutions. I don't see a message of conversion in that. Anyway, I admit that other messages are interesting, for example the ones who specified before Francis election that he would have been a Marian Pope. Another interesting fact, is that he'll die in Jerusalem after having entered there, after a short papacy, probably during a period of war. The strange things about these locution, is that there is no mention of other important topics such as the Warning or the Miracle prophesied in Garabandal. Many discussion about politics, and nothing about these two big events? It's strange for me. Unless those are still very far way.

 

Thank you, EarthToAngels, for those quotes; I had not seen those before.

I spent time this weekend reading more of the messages, and printed out several of the complete topics. I have to say that after studying those, I couldn't help but to find them extraordinarily compelling. They made a most interesting background for the 33-day Marian consecration that I am doing -- they seemed to explain things to me in a way that answered many of my questions.

I find her (allegedly her) referring often enough to the time when her graces will be poured out, that I think some of those actions would equate to The Warning, or other prophesied Miracle that will change the world.

I am still troubled by those two couple of points that have bothered me, including the controversial George Washington vision, which I will probably never know how to interpret -- but thank you to those of you who have given your opinions on Snopes "in-credibility".

I saw tonight that Charlie Johnston has expressed his own incredibility towards the Washington vision, and from what he wrote, I gather he was going by the same Snopes report. It would be nice to know the truth, since the speaker in the LTTW claimed to have given that message to Washington.

So someone is lying: the Snopes source, or the speaker in LTTW.

 

Well, these are pretty all-encompassing stormy times like no other. And Mary did allegedly refer to even the local Bishop in Medjugorje, personally, about being wrong in a decision he took about some of his Franciscan priests. I don't think she is delving into politics per se but relating the actions of leaders today to the control of Satan himself. People show their faithfulness by their choice of leaders and if those choices, by their own free will, continue to place evil in charge then we will suffer the consequences. Re: the Warning et al she has though referred as well to great interventions that must come from heaven since there is now no possible help from human leaders....we have gone too far. And I take those repeated promises of "interventions" as including the promises made elsewhere....esp. since she has mentioned Medjugorje....and Kibeho.

 

LOVE your avatar Summerfields! Go to the locutions.org page. Put in the search 'warning'. Next, put in miracle. You will get lots of messages. Hope that helps!

 

BTW.....I know that my avatar is rather blurry so if I may explain. This was the "kiss" from Our Lady of Medjugorje that I received upon returning from our pilgrimage. Our group was there a day after one of the anniversaries, thus very crowded, and Ivan had invited everyone to his apparition that night at the Blue Cross. It was mobbed and we were stuffed on the rocks like sardines! Finally, it had gotten dark and everyone became quiet, realizing that Ivan had begun his vision. I had one of those throw away cameras and simply pointed it up in the air above where I thought he was looking (really couldn't see him below from my vantage point and the heads in front of me). When I arrived home I was flipping through my developed pictures and was stopped immediately at this surprise. Mike Brown from Spirit Daily was with our group and he had it front page for a few days, blown up. This image appeared more like the picture of Our Lady of Grace that Fr. Jozo gives out and somewhat like the statue at the Blue Cross. The clear skies with stars were awesome and other images seen in those skies by some of the locals of the area made for a "mystical" evening indeed.

God bless all.

 

Thanks MS7.....this one especially mentions "miracle" in certain places...as promised in Medj. and Garabandal:

2. Signs and Wonders

Oct 14th, 2012

Jesus

Obviously, I will not come in the flesh, because this is how I came the first time. Also, I will not come in glory when every eye will see and all will be gathered together by the angels. How then will I come? I will come in signs and wonders, in great powers and in miracles that have never been witnessed before. I will come in graces of massive conversions, massive both in their extraordinary nature and in the numbers who will be touched.
These miracles and conversions will be beginning signs. They will begin immediately and will prepare the world for the greater events. These will be external and internal experiences. The external will be seen by all in a given part of the world and will lead to many conversions. The internal experiences will be worldwide, but of course, hidden from view because they will take place within the person’s heart. However, many will speak of their experiences. In this way they, too, will become external. All of these are not the final gift but will lead up to and will prepare for the great gift of my coming.

Mary

My task is the same as that of John the Baptist. Jesus will come in a special way but he will not force his divine presence upon anyone. In his public life, his divinity was kept hidden. He would tell people that he was the special Son of the Father, but, seeing only his human nature, they had to believe his words. So it will be again. His full coming in heavenly glory, when every eye shall see, still lies ahead!
His present coming is not in human flesh or in heavenly glory. Therefore, I must prepare the world, just as John the Baptist did, for this coming which is already taking place and to which people must respond to receive the blessings.

 

This message is two years old, yet it states that miracles, externally visible, in different parts of the world, will begin immediately. Is anyone aware of any fulfillment of this prophecy at all?

 

John. This was pretty big. Do you think it would count. It happened April 7, 2013