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  1. AED

    AED Powers

    The novice ordo properly said is a valid Mass. Period. Stop sowing confusion.
     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    Thank you Mary. Well said.
     
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Amen.
     
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  4. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    You are mistaken if you think this change to "for many" occurred worldwide. Most countries in Europe, including Italy, Germany, Portugal and Spain, continue to use a version of "for all." They ignored Pope Benedict's required changes.
     
  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    In your post, you’re not telling these people that you accuse of being under diabolical orientation anything, you’re simply addressing those reading this thread. Do you think we’re under the influence of diabolical disorientation?
     
  6. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    The Church has not said that "for all or for many is the same." The phrases are not the same. Jesus said one and not the other. This is why BXVI told the Bishops Conferences to change the words back to match the Latin.
     
  7. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Yes, I think if anyone thinks the Novus Ordo does not include a substantial change in Consecration of the Blood, after being presented with the facts, then the only explanation I can give for that is diabolical disorientation.

    And I think diabolical disorientation is the reason for most of the crazy things we see on our world today. Ultimately, it comes down to the person voluntarily committing certain sins and refusing to repent of those sins, which creates spiritual blindness, which allows diabolical disorientation enter their minds.
     
  8. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    How do you know that your views have not been infected by diabolical disorientation?

    Genuine question.
     
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  9. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    I don't deny that some of my own views could be infected with diabolical disorientation. But I know that the infallible dogmas of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church are not infected with diabolical disorientation. And I know the prayers of the true Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (not the Novus Ordo) is infallibly perfect as the Council of Trent states dogmatically.

    So, I am absolutely positive that my firm dependence of the Tridentine Mass cannot lead me astray.

    I am also certain that changes to the Tridentine Mass were made. Those changes were wrapped into a liturgical device known as the Novus Ordo Missae. The Novus Ordo does not carry any mark of infallibility. It was a liturgical experiment done in conjunction with Protestants back in the 1960s. Show me any Pope, in any official teaching document, who has written of the superiority of the Novus Ordo over the Tridentine Mass. Then compare that lacking to all the words from all the Popes, Councils and Saints praising the unique superiority of the Vetus Ordo, the true Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    Are you denying that significant changes were made to the prayers? If so, you are either ignorant (and I can point out those changes) or you have looked at the matter and decided the changes are not substantial. If the latter, I can only believe that it is caused not by your brain not working, but by some kind of diabolical disorientation that might be affecting you. I see it as a spiritual disease that needs a remedy. A spiritual disease that I once suffered from myself.

    But diabolical disorientation can be overcome with true contrition and reception of the authentic Sacrament of Confession from a true Catholic priest and performance of the penance required. This is just basic Catholic teaching. Most people in the world are confused by diabolical disorientation and the true, authentic Sacraments are the remedy that Jesus Christ set up to overcome it.
     
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  10. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    While the majority of the world appears to be under diabolical disorientation, to conclude that this is due to the change of consecration isn't necessarily accurate. Satan is the ruler of this world currently. Until Jesus comes back there will be struggle, and we could currently be under the effect of birth pangs.
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I think if the Mass had no longer been the Mass we would already have gone through the Three Days of Darkness.

    The World hangs by a thread and that thread is the Mass, the intercession of Mary and the sacrifice of Victim souls.

    No Mass, no World
     
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  12. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    OK, this is the part of the answer that I needed, not the rest. Thanks
     
  13. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Your post and the most recent of PNF appears to me to take us into the realm of cause and effect. The cause of the world being decent being the Mass. The tridentine mass being more powerful than the NO. The fact that the globalists fight against this mass gives credence to this, as well as eventually destroying the mass altogether in the future. But it also begs the question for me that if this is the case, how could the tridentine mass have been replaced and essentially suppressed world wide if it were such a powerful conduit against evil?
     
  14. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Yes, that last statement is the key. But the true Mass is still being prayed, even though most have traded the holy altar for a table. Some remain at the altar, the foot of the Cross.

    The traditional Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is still being said everyday by Holy Priests who have not broken continuity with the long line of Popes, the Councils and the Saints. Those are the priests who are ordained using the traditional Rites and provide the Sacraments using the traditional Rites and say the Mass using the traditional Rite. They are still around if you look hard enough for them. And it is they who are keeping the world from completely imploding.
     
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  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The Latin Mass would not have been sufficient.
     
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  16. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Excellent post! (y)

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
     
  17. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    The faithful remnant of the end times, those who remain at the foot of the Cross, is a very small number of people. People wake up all the time. I did. Rather, I believe that I was woken up, against all hope. I was a horrible Catholic, and definitely not deserving of any grace on my own merit.

    But I had a sudden cardiac arrest. I saw something no one will believe or understand. I ignored the beautiful thing that I saw for over a year, until I finally relented and truly made an effort to understand and live the true Catholic Faith. I don't claim to be a model for others. I am still a very pitiful example of a Catholic in many ways. But compared to my former self, there has been a remarkable change for the better.

    The confusion over the Mass is the test that God allowed Satan to accomplish to confuse the lukewarm within His Church. Pope Leo XIII overheard the exchange. The fruits (or lack thereof) since the 1960s should speak for themselves.

    This does not mean that Catholics who attend the Novus Ordo cannot receive actual graces if they are properly disposed to grace. Anyone can receive actual grace as God wills it in His abundant mercy. But the authentic Sacrament is the safer course and the more humble road to salvation if one has access to it. Catholic tradition is the infallible preparation for the reception of maximal grace.
     
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  18. Mario

    Mario Powers

    How to remain in peace and not be flustered: Psalm 131

    131 O Lord, my heart is not lifted up,
    my eyes are not raised too high;
    I do not occupy myself with things
    too great and too marvelous for me.
    2 But I have calmed and quieted my soul,
    like a child quieted at its mother’s breast;
    like a child that is quieted is my soul.

    3 O Israel, hope in the Lord
    from this time forth and for evermore.


    :censored::notworthy::love:
     
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  19. Mario

    Mario Powers

  20. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Why would God allow Satan to suppress the Latin mass, if this is what was growing souls for His kingdom?
     
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