Did Pope Francis show his hand on Medjugorje?

Incurable man was healed in Medjugorje

Well here is just another story of a miracle cure from Medjugorje http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/9984/incurable-man-was-healed-in-medjugorje/

Cristian Felice suffered from ALS which leads to sure death. But while in Medjugorje on September 26, he heard a voice tell him to climb Apparition Hill where he broke into tears. His respirator put away with his feeding tube next, he appears as world´s first to recover from ALS.


Cristian Felice in March, in his wheelchair

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) is a killer. Also known as Lou Gehrig’s Disease, the first patient is yet to survive the neurodegenerative disease that affects the nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord.

 

I know that Mayo Clinic has a list of miracle cures from people who came back from Medj. I, personally know of one 50 year old woman who went there with her husband to die, She was in a wheelchair and was suffering some type of brain cancer. Vicksa touched her, prayed over her, she felt a warmth and could walk again. Came back to the states, went to Mayo Clinic, the doctors knew about Medj because this had happened before. They told her she was cured and they could not explain it. Her name is Coleen Willard. My family has been spiritually guided by one Fr Charlie Becker, a priest in the archdiocese of Chicago. 15 years ago I moved him 3 times in one year as Bernadin was kicking him all over the place. He was going to leave the priesthood, typical lib Chi-town priest, until he was dragged to Medj 15-18 years ago. Check him out on the web. Very Marian now and totally faithful. My 19 year old son has had a conversion since going there. FRUITS!!!!!!!!! For me has been great as far as Catholicism is concerned.

 

Yes, the Bishop was initially receptive.

But his conclusion was and remains that nothing supernatural occurred at Medjugorje.

Until the Vatican says otherwise, it would be very wise to heed the conclusion of the Bishop of Mostar.

As far as intimidating tactics go, I don't think it was the Communists who kidnapped and violently assaulted Bishop Peric in 1994 in retaliation for his criticisms of unauthorized activities in Medjugorje, and released only when the Mayor of Mostar intervened with UN troops.

Bishop Peric's 1997 statement leaves little room for doubt as to the negative ruling on Medjugorje:

On the basis of the serious study of the case by 30 [academics], on my episcopal experience of five years in the Diocese, on the scandalous disobedience that surrounds the phenomenon, on the lies that are at times put into the mouth of the “Madonna,” on the unusual repetition of “messages” for over 16 years, on the strange way that the “spiritual directors”of the so-called “visionaries” accompany them throughout the world making propaganda of them, on the practice that the “Madonna” appears at the “fiat” (let her come!) of the “visionaries,” my conviction and position is not only non constat de supernaturalitate (“no evidence of the supernatural”) but also the other formula constat de non supernaturalitate (“evidence of the non-supernatural character”) of the apparitions or revelations of Medjugorje.​

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This statement from the Bishop leaves room for only two alternatives:

1. Fraud

2. Demonic preternatural activity.

 

David,

You have that right, maybe Medj is not for you. I have never been there, however it has impacted my life. I was married, a "practicing" novus ordo catholic here in arch of Chicago. Three kids and on the pill, typical. Marriage was in trouble, honestly still is. Bumped into Medj. Started praying the rosary (never did before), probably the only reason I still am married. Went to confession for the first time in 20 years, and now go frequently. I go to adoration now all the time, before never. And the best, Fr Charlie convinced my wife and I to go off the pill and we had three more kids. Then I got heavily involved in Roman Catholic Faithful and exposing clergy misconduct. Went up against the devil's minions here in Chicago. Now I am a praying fool. My oldest has one kid and another one coming. Their marriage is dedicated to the Blessed Mother. My next two kids had major conversions at Medj. I do not have a need to go there but I thank God for Medj and nothing you or Rino say could change my mind. Fr Charlie has had a major impact on countless families here. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. FRUITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hi Rino, which messages threatened the villagers if they did not believe? I would like to read them. Perhaps you post them.

If this were so. that such threats were made, I would certainly no longer believe in them.

I can't help recalling though that St Bernadette Soubirous of Lourdes was barely literate, that she experienced huge opposition from her own village and that her family were accused of profiteering from the apparitions.

Also of course that over 90% of the holy shops in Lourdes are Jewish owned.

 

I also think Rino we must act with a certain charitable caution when writing, especially in public about others. There is the sin of detraction, This is covered by the eighth commandment,

'You must love you neighbour as yourself.'

Are you aware of what detraction is?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04757a.htm



'(From Latin detrahere, to take away).
Detraction is the unjust damaging of another's good name by the revelation of some fault or crime of which that other is really guilty or at any rate is seriously believed to be guilty by the defamer.
An important difference between detraction and calumny is at once apparent. The calumniator says what he knows to be false, whilst the detractor narrates what he at least honestly thinks is true. Detraction in a general sense is a mortal sin, as being a violation of the virtue not only of charity but also of justice. It is obvious, however, that the subject-matter of the accusation may be so inconspicuous or, everything considered, so little capable of doing serious hurt that the guilt is not assumed to be more than venial. The same judgment is to be given when, as not unfrequently happens, there has been little or no advertence to the harm that is being done.
The determination of the degree of sinfulness of detraction is in general to be gathered from the consideration of the amount of harm the defamatory utterance is calculated to work. In order to adequately measure the seriousness of the damage wrought, due regard must be had not only to the imputation itself but also to the character of the person by whom and against whom the charge is made. That is, we must take into account not only the greater or lesser criminality of the thing alleged but also the more or less distinguished reputation of the detractor for trustworthiness, as well as the more or less notable dignity or estimation of the person whose good name has been assailed. Thus it is conceivable that a relatively small defect alleged against a person of eminent station, such as a bishop, might seriously tarnish his good name and be a mortal sin, whilst an offence of considerable magnitude attributed to an individual of a class in which such things frequently happen might constitute only a venial sin, such as, for instance, to say that a common sailor had been drunk. It is worthy of note that the manifestation of even inculpable defects may be a real defamation, such as to charge a person with gross ignorance, etc. When this is done in such circumstances as to bring upon the person so disparaged a more than ordinary measure of disgrace, or perhaps seriously prejudice him, the sin may even be a grievous one.
There are times, nevertheless, when one may lawfully make known the offense of another even though as a consequence the trust hitherto reposed in him be rudely shaken or shattered. If a person's misdoing is public in the sense that sentence has been passed by the competent legal tribunal or that it is already notorious, for instance, in a city, then in the first case it may licitly be referred to in any place; in the second, within the limits of the town, or even elsewhere, unless in either instance the offender in the lapse of time should have entirely reformed or his delinquency been quite forgotten. When, however, knowledge of the happening is possessed only by the members of a particular community or society, such as a college or monastery and the like, it would not be lawful to publish the fact to others than those belonging to such a body. Finally, even when the sin is in no sense public, it may still be divulged without contravening the virtues of justice or charity whenever such a course is for the common weal or is esteemed to make for the good of the narrator, of his listeners, or even of the culprit. The right which the latter has to an assumed good name is extinguished in the presence of the benefit which may be conferred in this way.
The employment of this teaching, however, is limited by a twofold restriction.

• The damage which one may soberly apprehend as emerging from the failure to reveal another's sin or vicious propensity must be a notable one as contrasted with the evil of defamation.
• No more in the way of exposure should be done than is required, and even a fraternal admonition ought rather to be substituted if it can be discerned to adequately meet the needs of the situation.

Journalists are entirely within their rights in inveighing against the official shortcomings of public men. Likewise, they may lawfully present whatever information about the life or character of a candidate for public office is necessary to show his unfitness for the station he seeks. Historians have a still greater latitude in the performance of their task. This is not of course because the dead have lost their claim to have their good name respected. History must be something more than a mere calendar of dates and incidents; the causes and connection of events are a proper part of its province. This consideration, as well as that of the general utility in elevating and strengthening the public conscience, may justify the historian in telling many things hitherto unknown which are to the disgrace of those of whom they are related.
Those who abet another's defamation in a matter of moment by directly or indirectly inciting or encouraging the principal in the case are guilty of grievous injustice. When, however, one's attitude is simply a passive one, i.e. that of a mere listener, prescinding from any interior satisfaction at the blackening of another's good name, ordinarily the sin is not mortal unless one happens to be a superior. The reason is that private persons are seldom obliged to administer fraternal correction under pain of mortal sin (see FRATERNAL CORRECTION). The detractor having violated an unimpeachable right of another is bound to restitution. He must do his best to put back the one whom he has thus outraged in possession of the fair fame which the latter hitherto enjoyed. He must likewise make good whatever other loss he in some measure foresaw his victim would sustain as a result of this unfair defamation, such as damage measurable in terms of money. The obligation in either instance is perfectly clear. The method of discharging this plain duty is not so obvious in the first case. In fact, since the thing alleged is assumed to be true, it cannot be formally taken back, and some of the suggestions of theologians as to the style of reparation are more ingenious than satisfactory. Generally the only thing that can be done is to bide one's time until an occasion presents itself for a favorable characterization of the person defamed. The obligation of the detractor to make compensation for pecuniary loss and the like is not only personal but becomes a burden on his heirs as well.'

 

I agree! Wherever God is working, the enemy is lurking about.

Also, the enemy may be brilliant, but he has absolutely no patience. No way could he keep this up for so many years.

 

I can now look for individual messages because I'm at work . From memory it said " Again there were few people at the Mass , God is not pleased ." There are a lot of similar messages, there is also a message where it says "There is a lot of you at Mass , God was pleased ," and messages related to the local people.
Every visionary has nine or ten secrets about the Third Secret Mirjana said, " there will be a large sign , people should start believing before the appearance of the sign, because it will be too late when the sign up on the hill appear ." Are not these threats, is the judgment of God will come when that sign appears , it is blasphemy . I believe in the revelation disclosed by the New Testament , and as a believer not have to believe in private apparitions , even if it was recognized by the church , such as Lourdes and Fatima . But here is threatening to have to believe in this private apparitions .
There's a clinic in Lourdes , which assesses whether something is a miracle from God or not, from Medjugorje there are hundreds of files sent to the alleged miracles of God , but none is rated as a miracle of God.
Fruits , brother does not talk to brother , sister to sister , seers do not talk to each other . All the neighbors were at war over land and walls.
Believe what you want , in this region, it is good that people come and spend money here. But from the standpoint of faith , it's terrible .

Vicka has real estate valued at € 5-10 million. How big are their bank accounts that no one knows. These people are not doing anything in life, they are professional visionaries and live their lies. I find it terribly wrong.

 

I'm confident in what I am saying , and I'm not afraid because it is true that every day I see with my eyes. Many people who are strong believers visionaries are scared with penalties that will come from God. I fear God, a God is to be feared , but I'm not afraid liars and Satan. Does everyone need to be silent like sheep when it happens a great injustice , does not need to act when you see an injustice and a violation of God's revelation . Do not believe in idols and various miracles if you're not sure what the origin of these miracles , Satan is wise and will cheat you if he can . There is nothing sacred about these people, but they portray themselves as if they were walking saints .

Believe it's your freedom . I do not believe them , they know why I do not believe I'm saying my beliefs . Bishop Peric is a very good person , Bishop Zanic was a very good person , and they and their followers are talking about them that they are the embodiment of Satan . For the Vatican, they are saying that it is a criminal organization . It all started as a joke , and turned into this monstrosity . Millions of pilgrims come to listen to the message of the six empty liars , is not that awful. Are not they just a golden cow. People you have a revelation from God , do you need a new revelation from God .

 

Rino,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Vicksa's back in terrible shape from pilgrims grabbing at her? One thing you can't argue, a lot more rosaries have been prayed, confessions heard, conversions made, and priests becoming orthodox.

 

This doesn't really seem like threats to me, not in comparison to the stuff MDM spouts.

I suppose I always took this to mean, people should start believing in God before this event. The 'too late' part of it, I thought meant many would already by dead by the third secret?

Absolutely. Catholics have no obligation to believe in any private revelation. We will shake hands here

If they really have amassed vast wealth then that would be really troubling. I have confidence in the Vatican's commission to establish all the relevant facts.

How's the weather over there? I'm heading over on Sunday, what's the temperatures this time of year?

 

Yes, it is true, but what is the deeper meaning of it all, if everything is based on lies from a few adolescents. "If you two talk story about me, I'll be with you." I am not saying that God is not present among the pilgrims when they come in large numbers to pray in Medjugorje, but God is with you in your local church, when you pray to him. I do not need signs and wonders to believe, because the foundation of my faith is God's revelation, I do not need a new revelation of God, especially a fake one.

 

Cloudy with rain, do not forget to bring some money.
10-20 °C

 

Just curious, Rino. Are you a practicing Catholic?

 

Rino, the miracle that I posted above that just happened at Apparition Hill would be sufficient for the canonization of a saint. How do you explain all the miracles there, especially the one I posted above? Do miracles come from the devil?

 

If you ask any practising Catholic under 45 in Ireland why they still have faith I guarantee you there will be a Medjugorje connection there somewhere. My family was in an absolute shambles spiritually when I was a teenager until my mother went there and began to live the messages of conversion, fasting, mass and rosary. My sister reckons she would be dead by now if my mother hadn't brought her there (she had a face-to-face meeting with Stan there at age 22, but that's another story). My conversation came through my sister; and all the young friends she made in prayer groups here at home when she came back and changed her life around were converted through Medjugorje. Now all our kids are being brought up in the faith too, and other family members and friends are gently being drawn in. That is the fruit of Medjugorje in our lives. All I can say is if Stan is behind Medjugorje then he is doing a really, really bad job.

 

I see that you just are not familiar with the process of the recognition of God's miracles. Briefly, now his condition should be monitored ten to twenty years. I am sure that his case will be sent to Lourdes, to the people whose job it is to assess whether it is a miracle from God or not. On my eyes man looks fine, but I am not competent to decide this matter. Yes indeed a miracle can come from Satan, but never complete recovery without a trace that it ever had a disease. God always healed completely, never partial

 

This is a very interesting discussion on all of this but I just have to wonder too what you believe Rino. Your comments sound very spiritual in nature but lack dogma. I am a returning Catholic to the church and spent a lot of my years in the New Age beleifs. I have never been to Medj and don't know if I will ever get there but I also will not go as far as you have to not believe in visionaries and not listen to their messages from the Blessed Mother. Are you suggesting that Our Lady of Guadalupe in 1500 was meaningless, or Our Lady of Lourdes, or Our Lady of Fatima, or what St. Faustina had to say or countless others? Maybe people of great faith to do not need these visionaires or miracles to beleive and that is great for them, but I am under the opinon that unfortunately there are not that many people in the world that are of great faith and there are many Thomas out there right now who need these messages to come back to God. I do not see them as threats when Our Lady speaks but rather a mother who is sorrorful for the flock in the world and the state of the world. I see a mother pleading with her children to return home. I see a mother pleading to God to have mercy on us and to give us more time before His Judgement comes. St. Faustina saw the angel with the flaming sword about to pass judgement on the world and she pleaded for mercy and was given the Chaplet of Divine Mercy to give us more time. Yes we have God's revelation and we know the end of the story but we do not know when and we know that God can change His mind as he did in Ninevah and as he attempted to do in Sodom and Gomorrah and really as he may have done with Abraham as he was about to sacrifice his son out of faith. God is a wonderful God of love and mercy and these visionaries over the centuries speak of this great love and mercy if only we would humble ourselves before God and reach out and take it. These messages over the years are allowing so many pin pricks of light to show up in the darkness that is there in many many souls on the Earth. I am thankful for this time and mercy and appreceiate the warnings given to us about time being short and that we need to come and take this mercy while it is there to be taken. Good for you that you beleive without needing but I would suggest you begin to pray for others that they too may come to know God and love God and have the faith that you have. I pray every day for those who are not praying. I accept any sacrifices or penance in my own life that God wants to bring to me in reparation for others who are not asking themselves. I humbly ask every day to hear my prayers, the prayers of a sinner myself for the souls of others.

 

So, you have anticipated the Commission's report and the decision of the Church.

http://motheofgod.com/threads/one-of-my-medjugorje-stories.3255/