The final solution for the problem...

I agree completely. Especially your last paragraph. I always thought the verses about pregnant women was appropriate to our times because of the attitude in our society toward pregnancy. So much disdain and fear and abhorance. Thus the rabid support of abortion.

 

I wasn't talking about abortion. I was speaking to how women took the vaccine while pregnant and had miscarriages. They also took the vaccine after giving birth, but before their babies were weened. So their babies drank their milk, which was full of spike proteins, which in turn killed the babies.

 

Yes. True.

 

In relation to verse 19 which says "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!" it fits hand in glove. For me this is incredible, because Jesus specifically warns women who took the vaccine while pregnant or while still nursing. Which happens after the abomination of desolation, which is covid/pachamama, where lockdowns happen 3.5 years after the Revelation 12 sky sign, which also match 1260 days. Which lines up with the last week of Daniel. The chances of events fitting scripture like this IMO aren't that likely.

Jesus could have warned about women with children in general. But he didn't, it was pregnant and nursing. Sorry to belabor the issue, I am just blown away by this.

 

"so he saw this great opportunity for greek catholics to re-evangelize especially the russian empire and he uses this phrase it's through the through the schismatic ukrainians russia will be converted and so when i read that it just really sparked me because i'm thinking that that's the same kind of language that we hear from our lady of fatima in 1917"

The seeds are already planted in Russia. Amazing, I might have to listen to this again.

 

Mar Emmanuel has a good talk on Revelation 12 from last year. He mentions how the US is the harlot. Which means the beast and 10 horns in Revelation 17:15-16, which both hate and destroy the prostitute, aren't the US.

Revelation 15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire

Then there is this line from Revelation 17:17
"For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled." Which sounds a whole lot like the prophecy of Fatima regarding Russia.

 

I hadn't paid much attention to that sentence, thanks for pointing it out, Pax. It is particularly interesting in the present context in which the invasion of Ukraine is reshaping relations between Churches in the country.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...flict-is-reshaping-relations-between-churches

 

One of the main reasons I came to this forum was the theme of this topic, the search for information related to this topic. It is a very narrow door of understanding for the message of Fatima but very interesting. I never intended to impose any point of view here, all opinions are valid and should be discussed respectfully and charitably by sharing objective information and links to their respective sources.

 

I honestly don't think you ever imposed any view point, but at the same time I haven't been on this forum that long. I like the discussion of different view points as well because everyone brings something to the table, and new viewpoints can emerge. So I appreciate what you and everyone else posts, even if I am not in full agreement with it. Since I have come here, my view point has changed drastically to where I think it is highly likely that Fatima is related to the end times, though I don't have a clear viewpoint on this yet. In the video you posted, Badger dad like me, also believes that the consecration was accepted and the period of peace happened. As events unfold viewpoints will change all the more.

I also believe it is possible, that the period of peace is the time of grace mentioned by Our Lady in Medjugorje. I say this since the first mention of the "time of grace" by Our Lady in Medjugorje, according to the concordance was on October 25, 1985. Which came after the consecration of Russia to Our Lady on March 25, 1984. According to Sr. Lucia, this consecration was accepted by Our Lady.

 

This is Fr. Alejandro Burgos mentioned in the video, the Spanish missionary from Valladolid, who was trained in the Latin rite and then later learned the Byzantine rite so he could go to Russia and work with in Russian Greek Catholic Church:

Source: https://www.eldiadevalladolid.com/n...diocesis-busca-relevo-para-sus-170-misioneros

And this is the website of the Fátima Icon Association, where the meaning of the Byzantine icon of Our Lady of Fátima is explained and where there is information about the construction project for the Sanctuary of Fátima in St. Petersburg: https://fatimarus.com/en/el-santuario-en-rusia/

 

Source: https://fatimarus.com/en/el-icono-de-fatima/

 

That's a really interesting understanding that I've never read or heard before...

I have been more inclined to accept that all the consecrations were accepted and produced some effects, although never the total conversion of Russia because they were all consecrations in some way imperfect considering what was requested by Heaven. It's like an exorcism, if there is no total and definitive expulsion of a demon that torments someone, that demon can come back to torment that person again.

 

According to Sr. Lucia, in the letter of July 3, 1990 the consecration of 1984 was accepted. We also have the events that followed which line up with the period of peace.
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/answers/1984-consecration-documents-14284

"In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world." - Second Secret of Fatima

The typical way it is interpreted is that once the Holy Father consecrates Russia to Our Lady, Russia will convert and there will be an "era of peace", which means the Immaculate Heart of our Lady has triumphed. I don't believe it works like this.

There are 4 distinct promises here. There is also the use of the word "and" instead of "then" in the second sentence. So I suggest these prophecies do not necessarily follow each other. But is rather as follows. The consecration made by SJPII in March 25, 1984 was accepted, then followed a "period of peace" not an "era of peace". The effects of the period of peace are outlined in the link above, and carried on for some time afterwards. So the conversion of Russia is still to happen, as is the Triumph of the Immaculate heart.

We also know that the Triumph of the Immaculate heart happens in the "end". The whole historical narrative of scripture revolves around this in Genesis 3:15. The "end" is satan getting thrown in the lake of fire. The Triumph therefore can only happen after the conclusion. So somewhere between now and the "end" will be the conversion of Russia. I also believe it is possible, that all 4 distinct prophecies, happen in the "end".

 

I don't know if I understood well your point on the other comment. Did you mean the period of peace has reached its end?

 

Yes, the period of peace was temporary. Given the state of the world, I believe we are currently transitioning out of the "period of peace" or already have.

 

This is what I have been thinking originally, until they made the words into "era of peace."

"A period of peace" looks more like having a shorter lifespan than "era of peace."

 

"She further stated that the collapse of Communion in Soviet-held territories constituted a “period of peace” predicted during the apparitions if the consecration was accomplished. She said this peace pertained to the greatly lessened tensions between the Soviet Union (or now just “Russia”) and the rest of the world. It was a “period” of time that had been foreseen, she said — not an “era” (as many have interpreted the message)."
https://spiritdailyblog.com/apparitions/the-fatima-what-sister-lucia-reportedly-said

For me it is bizarre that Sr. Lucia set the record straight in '90 and many people are still talking about an "era of peace" in relation to Fatima. Meanwhile the "period of peace" already happened.

 

Pax Prima,

First time I have seen it presented this way.

 

Sr. Lucia also said she believed we were in the last days.

“The final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Do not be afraid, because anyone who works for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be fought and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue. However, Our Lady has already crushed his head.” -Sr. Lucia
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ed-final-battle-would-be-over-marriage-family
- The final battle happens in Revelation 20, look how NATO fights to spread degeneracy.

Still, John Paul has also expressed himself in a calmer way with regard to the "Third Secret." In May 1991 he visited Fatima, and during a homily, told his listeners: "This is not an old world that is coming to an end, but a new one that is beginning."
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/is-the-end-near-2664
- A new world refers to a new earth in revelation 21:1.

In the "third secret," Sister Lucia writes about the vision of an angel with a flaming sword. That image, Cardinal Ratzinger notes, is a common one from the Book of Revelation, and it represents "the threat of judgment which looms over the world."
https://udayton.edu/imri/mary/f/fatima-third-secret-of.php

I am not saying I have all the answers, in fact I know I don't. But it seems like a lot of people involved directly with the messages of Fatima believed it had to do with the last days.

 

Thank you for your clarification, my interpretation of your words was correct. As I told you, this interpretation is new to me and interesting and I don't exclude it completely. Normally, people who believe that the entire process of Russia's consecration is complete they continue waiting for the foretold time of peace. Some of them believe that Russia's conversion process will be slow and gradual and others see the triumph of Putinism as the result of this conversion...