PF confirms ALL bishops will do the Consecration of Russia

Very specific to my reckoning.

 

True Brian. Totally agree. Today I made an hour of adoration. No fireworks. Just a sense of peace. I don't want to lose that.

 

Yes, in the clip they generally agree that the weak link in Pope Francis' directives is that he invites, but doesn't order the bishops' participation. However, Marshall and Matt are generally pleased, mentioning that out of the 4 times she wrote out the instructions, one time she used "invite" instead of "order." The other bases are covered.

We must continue to pray and if we haven't yet, fulfill the laity's end of the bargain: the 5 First Saturdays!

 

Is it because Fatima is part of private revelation which Catholics includng Bishops are not obliged to believe therefore he can only invite, not ordet

 

That issue is covered well in the clip posted in post #257.

Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!

 

Let me just say that I really have no idea what will happen Friday or in the near future from there. I’ve heard everything from a nuclear war to the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and everything in between. I hope for (but not necessary expect), somehow, very good things to come from it, with so many people praying and with the prayers offered to heaven through Our Lady, whether or not they meet the requirements Our Lady of Fatima specified, which I am agnostic about. It’s truly a “let’s just wait and see what happens” kind of day, at least for me.

I am not one who believes a nuclear war will be the result of the consecration if it is indeed a false one. I was responding to the ideas of some on this forum and many others who believe that that could/will happen. Actually, I’m not sure that anybody here thinks this could happen *as a result of a false consecration*. But there are some who do. If the “consecration” has no effect, the war escalates and other countries become involved (especially the U.S.), that might well happen, but not as a result of the “consecration”. At least I hope not.

It should be obvious that after practically 100 years of failed attempts by multiple popes, heaven expects and requires Our Lady’s instructions to be followed precisely. I don’t know that they will be. It seems that heaven wants the conversation of Russia to be seen in the eyes of the world as a direct result of being perfectly obedient to the design of God. If it were not so, why was the 1984 consecration not fully accepted by heaven? I mean, the entire world was consecrated by the pope in union with the bishops to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Russia is part of the world, right? So much the better if along with Russia, all the rest of the countries of the world and all the peoples of the world are consecrated. But that’s not how heaven saw it. It’s thinking “as man and not as God”. I think God is usually very lenient concerning the prayers and acts of man performed with good intention, but apparently it is not so in this case. Why? I think it’s because He wants that the victory to come, and to be seen to have come, from the prayers of the Catholic Church, and her alone, by having the pope do the consecration in union with the bishops, and for it to come through the intercession of the Mother of God, specifically consecrating Russia to her by name, so there’s no confusion. Why? Well, so the world, including atheists, Protestants, and members of other religions, come to believe in the Gospel and the One True Faith for the salvation of their souls, and most importantly that He may be glorified in all things, that the people of the world may know that “He is the Lord, and there is no other” and that grace, power, goodness, and salvation come from Him alone.

I’m not sure why you said, “How can you find peace for yourself? Doesn't anyone worry if he might be attacked by evil?”. I am at peace and I don’t worry that I will be attacked by evil. If a nuclear war does break out, maybe I’ll die, maybe I won’t. It’s all in God’s hands. I just pray I’m in a state of grace when that happens, whether it’s tomorrow or thirty years from now.

But what are we to make of the words of Our Lady of Akita? Are they now somehow invalid? Since 1973 did the world convert, sin cease among men, and sufficient reparation be done so that the threatened truly terrible chastisements are now averted? Clearly the answer is an emphatic “no” so I don’t know.

As one of those who believe Benedict is likely still pope, I initially found it hopeful that he would be participating. Maybe he could have his own private intention that goes something like this: “Mary, I consecrate Russia to your Immaculate Heart”. Simple. But would this be successful? He will be doing it in private. He will not be seen as the one who leads the consecration in union with his brother bishops who he “ordered” or “requested” (I don’t think that matters) to participate with him. The success would instead be seen as the result of the consecration by an antipope. What needs to happen is that PF needs to be exposed as the antipope he always was so that all his words and acts are abrogated and the business of restoring the Church to her former beautiful self can finally begin. All this is, again, assuming that PF is an antipope. Needless to say, that’s a big assumption. Maybe he’s not. But he has in no way acted like any pope in the past - you know, what with all the heresy and destroying the Church (willingly or unwillingly) and all that. No antipope comes close to him. What pope in the past rejected the title “Vicar of Christ”?! How could it even cross the mind of a pope to do such a nonsensical thing? It would appear that Christ’s promise to the Church and to Peter would have failed, because the Rock Himself, the one Christ gave us to be a source of unity and orthodoxy and who He would always protect by special graces, is the source of evil and heresy - not a group of bishops, not even practically all the bishops of the world as happened during the Arian heresy, but Peter himself. Did Jesus not say to Him, and all his successors, “I will pray for you so your faith may not fail”? That Christ’s promises cannot fail is the one thing we know beyond any doubt. It’s like the old saying goes, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it’s probably a duck, “duck” in this case being an antipope. We’ve had many in the past, why not now? I think everyone here would agree that PF has acted much more like an antipope (in fact, worse than any of them even!) than a pope. Just think of the whole Pachamama fiasco and all that happened. Did his actions appear more like someone protected by Christ to be the Rock of the Church or one who is not? There’s no question that the answer is the latter. Now, multiply that by a thousand times, covering the last nine years of his pontificate. Could anyone here, during the reign of Benedict, possibly have imagined or accepted that the next pope would do such things? No. If the entire litany of the words, writings, and actions of PF were told to any serious, orthodox Catholic before now and it were asked him, do you thing this man is a pope or antipope, what would his answer be? Of course, we all know. I just can’t square the circle of the actions of the-one-who-is-called-Pope Francis and a valid pontificate. There was a case in history when some pope had the intention of approving some Bible translation that contained heresy and immediately before he could do it, he came to his earthly end. But, it is true that PF has never bound something heretical ex cathedra, which would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt his identity, so who knows. It’s not for me to determine, only for the Church at some time in the future, if necessary. I don’t want to put false doubts in anybody’s mind here so please take everything concerning PF with a grain of salt. Maybe there are explanations I don’t know about.

Just some random thoughts. I hope they’re not ‘too’ random.

Keep praying your rosaries everyone, and do it every day. Don’t be like me and do it ‘most’ days. That’s not what Our Lady asks of us.

 

Excuse me, dear forum members, could you kindly repost the consecration text? I couldn't find it among all the long writing.
God bless!

 

My diocese was not mentioned in the link, but checked my diocese of Hartford Ct. which has a statement that Archbishop Blair will join in the consecration from the cathedral at noon. Sooo checked my old diocese of Boston website and nada. Where is Cardinal O'malley, whom I thought was such a good buddy of Pope Francis? Where are all of Pope Francis' good buddies and ardent supporters? Shutting up now before I enter into serious sin.

 

Brian, I know you have thread on this consecration, but wonder if you could just do a thread with the consecration, make a stickey? of it and shut it down so we can just have it to read until the 25'th?

 

Thank you!

 

Our Archbishop will do the consecration but not in the pro-Cathedral. It will be in a suburban church near the TV studios. Think I'll spend the time in my parish church and say the prayers there. The Archbishop's ceremony will be at 4 p.m. (5 p.m. in Rome) but on Taylor Marshall's video they said that the Pope won't be doing the consecration until 6.30 p.m. Rome time after the penitential service which begins at 5 p.m. So, unless our Archbishop intends having a 90 minute ceremony leading up to the consecration, he will be an hour or so ahead of Pope Francis.

 

Interesting that other than Washington DC , none of the larger US diocese headed by Cardinals is on the list including my own archdiocese of NY and neighboring diocese of Newark NJ. I looked at their websites this morning and nothing was there. Perhaps it was updated since that time…I will need to look. I don’t expect a direct reply, but I did send an email this morning to the NY diocese asking if Cardinal Dolan will join the consecration. I’m hoping that the slow response is due to fact that the Cardinals mom passed away late last week and he went home to be with his family. Prayers for his mom and his family during this time.

 

Thanks Brian… is there a way to keep it at top of threads? It seems to be moving down as members post to other threads. I’m wondering if it will fall off the radar as it goes further down the thread list?

 

Thanks Brian … that works! I am technically challenged so was looking just at the running threads. Appreciate your guidance.

 

Keep an eye on his twitter feed. That's how I found out about the consecration in our diocese. Cardinal Dolan's twitter feed has a link to an excerpt from a radio programme where he's talking to the Ukrainian Archbishop in Philadelphia. They are long time friends. They said they would discuss later in the programme what it means for the Pope to consecrate Russia but that part of the programme isn't included in the excerpt. You need to subscribe to the channel to hear the rest of the programme. Here's a link to the excerpt: http://cardinaldolan.org/index.php/conversation-with-cardinal-dolan-march-22-2022/

 

Well, I was a bit flummoxed this afternoon. Yesterday I could find nothing about for four dioceses in my state doing anything with the consecration; this afternoon I was just ready to print off a letter to the archbishop when I thought to check again, and there they were! I'll bet they were waiting to see the actual text of the consecration before committing to doing anything. So at 11AM on Friday, the Archdiocese of Dubuque (IA) and the Dioceses of Davenport, Des Moines, and Sioux City (all in Iowa) will be doing the consecration in union with the Pope. All of them will be livestreaming their services.

I did not see that coming!