Question: What about those who kill in the name of their religion and truly believe they are doing the right thing? Answer: Those who kill believing that they are doing good will not experience the first resurrection, and they will linger on this earth until they acquire the full knowledge of good and evil and after that, as is written in revelation, after a thousand years the evil will be allowed to tempt humanity for a short time again, and the end of the world will come and there will be a new heaven and a new earth and All will be in all. After the Antichrist will come the period of peace, the thousand years during which the souls that are here on earth will have the opportunity to physically acquire the knowledge of good, like is described in Isaiah “they will be living longer than the trees.”
sounds unCatholic. If the soul after the death is in purgatory, the devil has no access to the soul and what is going on on earth will not impact the soul at all ( I am not even touching the millenniaristic aspect of the answer )
Well I missed the last part of the post about the thousand years. However for the first part. yes some souls do their purgatory or at least part of their purgatory here on Earth. {form Catholic mystics). Some souls get tuck in purgatory till the end of time. St Margaret Mary mentions this as, I think did Our Blessed Lady at Fatima. Also from Catholic moral theology there is such a thing as , 'Invincible ignorance'. So yes I would be open to the first part. As to the second part that they might kind of pick up on things, well yes that's the whole point of Purgatory that we should grow in love. I am not a theologian but...well the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart will be a very special time. So if you asked me, yes I never heard of this before. But , yes I'd say its possible. There is such a thing as the 'Secrets of the King' things God kinda keeps under His hat so this might be one. Its the first time I ever heard of it, but as William Shakespeare makes his character Hamlet say, 'There are more things , Horatio , in heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in our philosophies'.
Padraig, what about this: Answer: Those who kill believing that they are doing good will not experience the first resurrection, and they will linger on this earth until they acquire the full knowledge of good and evil and after that, as is written in revelation, after a thousand years the evil will be allowed to tempt humanity for a short time again, and the end of the world will come and there will be a new heaven and a new earth and All will be in all What FIRST resurrection? Resurrection of the dead is going to be after the Second Coming and for the Last Judgement. They will linger on this earth? how long?until thousand years pass ( as is obvious from the next words)?and AFTER the Last Judgement? it does not make any sense at all
I am not sure if I am misunderstanding but that Answer above sounds like the Rapture theology that the Church condemns? The first resurrection that is spoken of there sounds like the rapture.
I am not sure. I thought it was referring to after we die being brought to heaven , the period before the Final Judgement? The period after the interim judgement immediate to death before the last judgement the end of time.? Perhaps I misunderstood? So the first resurrection our entrance into heaven, prior to the final one?
I am not sure either Padraig...haha. When I read it I thought, Oh, that's the rapture stuff. I thought when Jesus comes back there is only one resurrection left. I didn't think there were more than one. I thought that when He comes back everyone resurrects or ascends, both the living and the dead and you experience the final judgement then and that's it.
If they are in purgatory - they will no longer linger on earth and not for thousand years( every soul will have their own sentence - in purgatory) Per explanation on the web the first resurrection is The Resurrection ( the main one). I have never heard of the resurrections to be first, second, third, whatever. Thought you might. But I can understand that as delivering the soul from purgatory to heaven. Which is not what that quote implicates at all.
I think you misunderstood it in application to that quote. Your explanation is exactly what I think as well ( and all other Catholics, I am sure). The quote above is not this understanding at all - it is something fuzzy and Catholic Catechism is not fuzzy at all.
Neither did I. I met this combination of words "first resurrection" in a quote from mark mallet couple of days ago - that is how my inquiry to the whole millennial matter started And you are right it is directly connected to the Rapture theory which is condemned by Catholic Church
I typed, 'First Resurrection Catholic Church' and came up with this...as first hit..I feel like I am being haunted. http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-coming-resurrection/ Mark quotes Revelations They came to life and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over. This is the first resurrection. (Rev 20:4-5) Marti, I feel like we are going round in circles here; were you quoting Mark Mallet in your post?
Mark is actually venturing in a forbidden territory - he is deep in Rapture theology which is not Catholic at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-rapture What’s the Catholic Position? As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been "amillennial" (as has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called "millenarianism" (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism "cannot safely be taught," though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue. With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word "rapture" to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term "rapture" is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—"we will be caught up," [Latin: rapiemur]).
