Wars and rumors of wars on the TLM and Summorum Pontificum”?

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  1. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    If God wills for the TLM to prevail, it will outlast Traditionis Custodes, no question. Let's let God work through this. All things work together for the good of those who love Him.
     
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  2. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Yes! Wonderful post, thank you!
     
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  3. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Ann Barnhardt shared a very interesting post from a friend on the Pachamama demon and the fact that Our Lady of Copacabana came primarily to defeat Pachamama demon worship:

    "A few nights ago, I was cleaning our guest bedroom that houses our books. My sister, who is in the process of converting to the Faith, has developed a devotion to Our Lady under the title ‘Star of the Sea’, so when I spotted a book I had on Marian titles, I grabbed it off the shelf to sit down with later when I had finished cleaning. Perhaps it would yield some information I could share with her.

    I’d never really looked at this book before, strangely. It seems to be written by the non-Catholic Christine Barrely, with an emphasis on its pictures of antique Marian prayer cards that don’t match up to the descriptions of the titles. Basically, it seems to be meant as a coffee table book. But as I was flipping through its pages, the word ‘pachamama’ jumped out like live embers.

    This strange little book has two references to an apparition of Our Lady of Copacabana, which occurred above Lake Titicaca in Bolivia in the sixteenth century, and how she was a divine response to the local Incan population’s pagan idol worship of Pachamama, referred to for the rest of this essay by me as pachademon.

    We were all horrified in October of 2019 at the strange pagan idol worship of pachademon we saw first in the Vatican Gardens, and secondly on the high altar of Saint Peter’s itself. Hold onto your hats, because it’s all about to get worse.

    Our Lady of Copacabana, also referred to as Our Lady of Lake Titicaca, Our Lady of Candlemas or La Virgen de la Candelaria (as the apparition was on February 2, the Feast of Candlemas) appeared because the local population was worshipping the pachademon. On page six of this cringe-y undergrad’s ‘feminist’ thesis from 2017 on the ‘syncretism’ of pachademon and Our Lady, it interestingly notes, '…the drought and starvation suffered by the people of Copacabana, even though they gave offerings to their assigned patron, Saint Ann. But Saint Ann did not behave like a good mother; she did not reciprocate. Therefore, the people turned to a family member who would reciprocate, Pachamama in syncretism with the Virgin Mary.'

    In researching Our Lady of Copacabana, you will find many such cringe-y attempts to conflate her with pachademon, written by non-Catholics with a patriarchal axe to grind. So basically it seems that Our Lady showed up to finally convert the local population after seeing that her own mother was being ignored as the early patron of the area assigned by the Jesuit priests.

    In his book Inca Religion and Customs, early-colonial Spanish Jesuit missionary to the area, Fr. Bernabe Cobo, observed the Andean and Incan worship practices of Pachamama and chronicled '...in and around Copacabana long stone altars to Pachamama were erected in every agricultural field:They all worshiped the Earth also, and they called her Pachamama . . . And it was their custom to put a long stone in the middle of their fields . . . as an altar in honor of this goddess. They would pray to her before this altar stone, call upon her, and ask her to protect their (fields) and make them fertile. The more fertile a field was, the better.'

    After the miraculous appearance of Our Lady of Copacabana to stop this pagan worship, a grand basilica was built there in her honor. A miraculous statue of her was even created by amateur sculptor Francisco Tito Yupanquit. on August 1, 1925 during the Papal visit of Pope Pius XI to Bolivia, the image of the Virgin of Copacabana was blessed and granted a canonical coronation. She is also the official Marian Patroness of Bolivia.

    In other words, basically every decent Catholic in South America knows who she is and why she appeared.

    On October 7, 2019 Bergoglio presided over the idol worship of the pachademon statue in the Vatican Gardens. He knew what she was, and he absolutely has to know who Our Lady of Copacabana was, because he is South American, and because in 2017 a LARGE PERMANENT MOSAIC AND CEREMONIAL STATUE OF OUR LADY OF COPACABANA was placed in the very Vatican Gardens he later presided over during demon worship.

    Don’t tell me a South American pope wasn’t informed when that was done well into his pontificate. Odd that he did not attend, no? Is that why the first idolatrous ceremony two years afterwards was done in the gardens in front of that very mosaic of Our Lady of Copacabana, in true diabolical narcissist fashion? Shame on every single person in this video, particularly the bishops, for not speaking up in dramatic fashion when this sacrilege occured.

    Oh, and the scandal obliquely referred to by the Bishop in the video that needed ‘dialogue’ to solve was this lovely story of local civil authorities and bishops blaming each other for vandalizing the jewels on the original statue of Our Lady of Copacabana at her namesake basilica. Whoops.

    On October 27th, 2019 the creepy plant offering to Pachamama was placed on the high altar of Saint Peter’s. Coincidentally, this all occurred right before the first news of (rhymes with Smo-vid) appeared, as Ann has pointed out in this space before.

    This is demonic, this is scandalizing.

    I think of how many bishops and cardinals from South America knew this. Or any bishop or cardinal who had been to the Basilica in Bolivia, or ministered to the faithful from Bolivia, or simply had read a basic Catholic history of South America. I cringe for the good Catholics of South America who must have watched with their jaws dropped as Francis luxuriated in pagan idol worship. I think of the mainstream Catholic outlets, the LAZY, corrupt mainstream Catholic outlets who could have found out what I did with basic research in speaking to the people of South America to find out what this demon was, and if there was ANY Catholic antidote to it.

    In any other era of the Church, Francis would have been immediately rebuked and reprimanded by his brother Bishops, and lost the Chair of Peter for idol worship in gross violation of the First Commandment.

    Let us not forget that several high-profile traditional Catholic Bishops walked by Santa Maria in Transpontina, the church that the pachamama demon statue was held in, on their way to promote a book one of them had written. I leave the revealing of those names to your own research. Not one stopped to storm into the holy place, take the statue and throw it into the Tiber. It took a twenty-something year-old Austrian man financed by a popular American Catholic Youtuber to do so.

    Up until that point, we did not know the demon’s name here in the West. The first time we saw it mentioned was by Bergoglio himself, rebuking the young Austrian man and identifying the statue ‘pachamama’

    Mainstream Catholic outlets rushed to Francis’ defense, attempting to excuse that he ‘didn’t know’, or that ‘it’s a representation of Our Lady’. He knew, and no, it is not.

    It seems very clear that this was an Anti-Marian consecration of sorts to usher in the Great Reset.

    And lest we get forgetful in this world of fast-paced, gas-lighting news stories it was revealed earlier this month that a pachademon monstrance is being used in Mexico.

    We are in very, very dark times.

    I plan on praying a nine day Rosary novena to Our Lady of Copacabana starting on July 28 and ending on August 5, her Feast Day, pleading for her intercession and in reparation for Bergoglio’s knowing and intentional sacrilege. I also encourage any priests reading this to offer Mass that day for the same intentions.

    Our Lady of Copacabana, ora pro nobis!" https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/07/1...na-terror-of-the-pachamama-demon-pray-for-us/
     
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  4. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    Yes, our Lord himself has confirmed the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass, through the Eucharistic Miracles at Legnica and Sokolka.
    Perfectly put, spot on.
     
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  5. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    Dear Miker,
    Thank you for this post. I suppose the TLM-goers in particular may be what is called the remnant of His flock. I cannot wait to be brought back to the meadow.
     
  6. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    Yes, very true, and we play our part in this. We must cooperate with the Holy Spirit. We have to stand strong now. I am amazed how many people attended my local TLM yesterday.
     
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  7. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    I like the novena idea.
     
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  8. AED

    AED Powers

    I mean to do this as well. This post cuts to the heart. WHY did churchmen--even devout prelates--allow this without protest. Why are we all (me at least) sleep walking through this? The novena is a start. God bless the Cuban people for processing Our Lady through their streets at great risk to themselves. Our Lady of Copacabana pray for us!
     
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  9. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Sad to say but the pachamama rite and the Amazonian rites have superceded the ancient rite.

    Apostasy goes to the top of the Vatican.

    In a world that is falling apart at the seams the fact that the pope sees the abrogation of the Latin rite as a priority speaks volumes.

    He has politicised the Mass and revealed his rigidity in a brutal manner.

    The Vatican has indeed fallen.
     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    This is information I never knew before.
    I will pray the rosary on those dates for those intentions. But I object to the calling of him Antipope Bergoglio in the link. We can’t do that. It’s above our pay grade.
     
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  11. TinNM

    TinNM Guest

    When I see this happening, I think of the Lutherans, they have had big splits in the Church which at one time, had quite a bit of unity.

    The ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) has gone through too many things like Women Pastors and things like that but despite this following article, the big splits came in the 1960s. Not being critical of their faith since I'm not Lutheran, I'm Catholic but as a Catholic I have found it interesting to observe.

    In 2009 a new Lutheran organization, the North American Lutheran Church, left the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America as the largest Lutheran denomination in the United States. The chief reason for the split was the ELCA's shift in policy toward homosexual members and clergy. The NALC regarded the shift as being unbiblical and symptomatic of growing liberalism of ELCA.

    What Caused the Lutheran Church to Split? (synonym.com)

    Church Splits - LCMS and ELCA Lutherans


    Then, they have their very historic splits, I mentioned the 1960s, I'm sure there are more.

    WELS - Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran and LCMS - Lutheran Church of the Missouri Synod are basically, what one would call "conservative" and traditionally.

    ELCA:

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  12. Ananchal

    Ananchal Vigilans

    So HH’s response made me think of a question that I asked the forum a few weeks ago that no one responded to (or I missed it)

    I seem to recall some locution/ visionary talking about a Pope and an Anti Pope. Will we only know the anti Pope from hindsight?

    I mean I realize there won’t be bright lights and a finger pointing from heaven saying Pope XYZ is an anti Pope so really how will we know (not implying that Pope Francis is I’m just truthfully trying to figure this out
     
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  13. AED

    AED Powers

    Good question. I don't recall any such message although St Francis spoke of a pope not elected canonically who would be a Destroyer.
     
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  14. thomas21

    thomas21 Archangels

    We can’t know until the warning. Satan has false prophecies where they speak 99% truth and 1% lies. Until God Himself tells us we can’t know. Maybe they’re all false.
     
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  15. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    I don't know of any approved apparition or locution about there being an antipope.
     
  16. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Saw this pic originally from the Breakfast Club on Twitter and had a chuckle.

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  17. AED

    AED Powers

    Perfect!!!
     
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  18. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Father gobbi predicted the appointment of a false Pope who would be elevated to power in 1998, which did not happen, at the time the only ultra progressive eligible cardinal was Italian Carlo Maria Martini, who died in 2012.
    I believe that a more propitious time for an Antipope to arise is when the prophetic exile of the Pope occurs, considering that some rebellious bishop takes over in Rome, which would be a clearly invalid pontificate.
     
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  19. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    We can't know until 'The Warning'? You mean unapproved Garabandal? But St. Francis' warning of a destroyer pope not canonically elected is false prophecy? Am I misunderstanding you?
     
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  20. Mary Crowder

    Mary Crowder Archangels

    Michael, Is Saint Francis warning prophecy of a destroyer Pope True or untrue?
     

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