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Interesting synopsis of events.

 

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If that comment was aimed at me, you may be interested to know that another video of Michael Lofton responding to Archbishop Vigano's statement had previously been posted elsewhere on the forum by someone who definitely wouldn't fit your criteria for "usual suspects".

The truth is that Melanie of La Salette changed her story years after her original version of what Our Lady had told her and there was no reference in the original version to Rome losing the faith or becoming the seat of the anti-Christ. It's an uncomfortable truth for those who prefer to believe her later claims but the truth nonetheless. Pointing out that truth is not an attack on LaSalette or Archbishop Vigano.

In disputed situations, the best way to arrive at an informed decision is to hear all sides which can't happen if only one side can be presented. Michael Lofton and Timothy Gordon are not ignorant of the faith and they make valid points which deserve to be heard by people who wish to make sense about what is happening in the Church. I have great respect for Archbishop Vigano but I don't believe he is infallible. I believe that he is sincerely trying to defend the Church from attack by very powerful people within the Church. He could be right about some things and mistaken about others. So could Lofton and Gordon.

Pope Francis hasn't formally taught or bound the faithful to error. Even if he had, the first See is judged by no-one so it would fall to one of his successors to declare him an anti-Pope. I think that very few people would deny that Pope Francis has enabled if not encouraged pastoral practice contrary to the Faith but that doesn't give Timothy Gordon the right to call him evil. Evil speaks to motive and Timothy Gordon cannot know that Pope Francis has evil intent. People often do wrong hoping it will bring a good outcome. That doesn't make them evil. It simply makes them wrong.

The Catholic Church holds the fullness of revealed truth in the deposit of the Faith and every Pope and Bishop has a duty to defend that Faith, so evidently the Church believes that truth does, indeed, need defending.

Suppressing discussion because it doesn't fit our pre-conceived ideas serves only to feed prejudice.

 

Well said, Dolours. I concur.
I am glad that you reiterated the facts about the La Salette message. The original message, which is the only approved part, deals with the sins of missing Mass, working on Sundays, and using profanity.

 

What I meant was that the anti-church is not the Catholic church (as headed by our pope), but a church of the world, which would run counter to the true Catholic Church. And yes, it has infected not only non-Catholics, but Catholics as well, in all ranks of the Church. The anti-church, as Sheen explained it, is like a shadow church, that basically worships man instead of God. It's all brotherhood, with no fatherhood. Sheen called its "pope" the Kremlin, because communism is a very obvious part of this anti-church the devil has been setting up throughout the world and in even our own hearts. We see traces of it in ourselves: materialism, attachment to things we know are not of God but we try to justify, like movies and shows that take God's name in vain, living for ourselves in many ways, not honoring God properly on Sundays, etc. We are lazy and full of compromise, desensitized by the culture around us. The spirit of the anti-christ has affected nearly all of us.

But yes, the anti-church has been set up, and much of the hierarchy appears to be caught up in its lies. There are many in our Church that are actually communist infiltrators, or were taught by them and are thus confused. I don't know what to think of Pope Francis, and that honestly twists my stomach into knots. I long for a holy and fearless pope to shepherd our souls in these scary times. Our Lady of Success spoke of the "one that should speak but will remain silent" while the Church is suffering, and I don't know who that is (perhaps Pope Francis), but she also urged us to pray for the Holy Pontiff that will be specially chosen by her to rescue the Church and lead us out of these times.

I have great hope that he is coming soon. I don't know what we have to go through in order to get there. I'm sure it won't be a walk in the park, but I spent a lot of time last year being afraid, until I realized God is still in control. I don't have all the answers.. I spend a lot of time talking through things on this forum just trying to sort out my own thoughts because I'm struggling to make sense of all this, just like you all are. I'm trying so hard to do the right thing, what God requires of me, no matter how shaken I feel by what's going on in our hierarchy. And I know He greatly values obedience, humility, prayer, and silence....and that He promised the gates of Heaven will never prevail against His Church. I believe and hope that means that the chair of St. Peter cannot be occupied by the antichrist. I'm certainly not aware of any approved prophecy that says such a thing. Our pope represents Christ Himself and is our head. I just don't believe that Christ would allow the head of His Church to be the antichrist, severing the body from Christ. I feel that Pope Francis may possibly mean well but is badly misled; I don't know, but I believe God doesnt wish me to speak ill of the holy father. I havent seen one saint or holy persom I admire do so, and have never heard Our Lady do so in any approved apparition. I am trying to take great care to not place myself anywhere outside the protection of Holy Mother Church, because these are very treacherous times, and to whom shall we go? What I should really do is pray much, much more, and talk much less.

 

Wheat and tares.

 

Waiting on the Lord.......

 

I concur.

 

Yes, my impression of the subsequent message was similar.

 

Thanks. People who haven't watched the video on the other thread (I think it was posted by Luan) must wonder what Timothy Gordon has to do with any of this. Michael Lofton was a guest on Timothy Gordon's channel where they discussed Archbishop Vigano's statement and Michael Lofton made the same points as he did in the video I posted on this thread. I suspect there are bad actors on both sides of the problems in the Church, some of whom we might never hear from and may only hear about some time way into the future. That doesn't mean that the people we do hear from on either side are bad. Some could be influenced by people they trust, unaware that those people are not trustworthy. Earthly control of Christ's one true Church is a very big deal.

I like to believe that we're all believing Catholics on this forum, doing our best to be faithful sons and daughters of the Church. It is unChristian to attribute the worst possible motives to people who don't see eye to eye with us on everything. We all need to bear that in mind.

 

The shoe fits many...including me

as to the many wasted words posted over and over...and over on this forum...we shall see what we shall see, eh?

 

again...the funny thing about Truth, it does not need to be defended...it does not need to be explained...it just needs to be spoken...because it’s #Truth

 

Thank you!

 

Well, those who work in the field of Catholic apologetics would disagree with that!

1 Peter 3:15: ...but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope. New American Bible.

It's also a spiritual work of mercy to instruct the ignorant.

 

Ah, but FP, you have to agree that Archbishop Vigano is in a class by himself. I have to suspect that given his experience as United States nuncio and his uncovering corruption at the Vatican Bank, that he knows things about the inside track that we lowly Catholics don't. Still, his putting on the mantle of John the Baptist and castigating the Pope directly has me a little concerned. His calling the Pope only by the name given him at birth directly implies a direct challenge to Francis' legitimacy.

That should give every Catholic pause, or at least it does me. This doesn't mean that I'm happy with Pope Francis debunking the death penalty, embracing indifferentism, hobnobbing with globalists, etc. Then again, this prophetic stance of Vigano might be the only way of angering the false Catholics within the Vatican so as to draw them out into the open. A little reckless, I say.

Prayers for the Pope and the Archbishop!

 

I agree. Well said. Our pastor prays for the Pope right off the top of the intercessions every Sunday Mass.

 

reckless or fearless?

In my experience, when drawing flak it means you’re over the target. In other words, if someone is no threat to the devils plans then he pretty much leaves you alone. If one is a threat then it’s a full frontal assault including sowing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

 

This is so far above my pay grade. Confusion is part of the diabolic disorientation Our Lady spoke of--we only see through a glass darkly where PF and Archbisop Vigano are concerned. Only solution IMO is to pray for them both!

 

Or, you draw responses when there is principled disagreement over a controversial post.

If you think "flak" or disagreement is a sign that you're right, you're just as likely to be wrong.

It's not always the devil who disagrees. Fraternal correction is something most Catholics understand, and many appreciate. (It may take a while... ;-)

 

Where there is confusion beware. And right now from this Pope and his appointments there is plenty of confusion. God is allowing it, but it doesn’t make it right. I agree with all of you praying for Pope Francis’ soul is necessary because he needs major prayers. But I don’t like him. And I believe he knows exactly what he’s doing and it’s consequences. We live in a world that no longer respects or believes in religion and God’s laws. I don’t see this Pope guiding us out of this storm. May he regret his actions, and receive the mercy of God.

 

Yes! Pope Francis and all of our bishops and priests are on my beads every morning. The evil one is after all of our souls, but if he gets me he's just taking out one father/husband/man. But if he takes out a priest, a bishop, or a Pope, think of the prize that is for him. So I completely understand that they, more than any of us (especially our Pope!) is the much bigger prize, they are fathers of thousands, millions, billions in Pope Francis' case. So yes, pray for them as Our Blessed Mother constantly urges us, especially the St. Michael prayer and prayers for their protection from the snares of the devil.