Is the Church in Crisis?

Discussion in 'Positive Critique' started by padraig, Oct 30, 2020.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    This is the absolute Truth, Josephite.
    My Protestant friends have tee shirts which say “Take Back the Rainbow.”
     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    Fr Ripperger says many of these things too.
     
  3. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Josephite, could you tell us the source of your two posts? Thank you!

    Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
     
  4. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    Perfect answer, garabandal. Thank you.
     
  5. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    Josephite, your 2 posts describing Fatima in relation to Noah and to Sodom and Gomorrah are amazing. Something to read (and pray about) over and over. Maybe we were given the interpretive key to the 3rd secret without really needing the text. It all makes sense.
     
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  6. Donna259

    Donna259 Powers

    I like Joe Crozier....he's been here a long time...him and Mac used to go at it. He would recognize me as Bonaventure my old screen name....

    These are terrible times and we are witnessing some dark stuff. I'm so fearful of the elections this week in the US and what uprisings will occur....

    Goodbye Joe....if you read this.
     
  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

     
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  8. AidanK

    AidanK A great sinner

    My feelings about Pope Francis are not malicious. I love the papacy and all that it stands for, iwhat makes us Catholic. However we have a Christian duty of filial correction if it's felt he has erred. The papacy of the millennia needs to be protected.
     
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  9. Krizevac

    Krizevac Archangels


    Padraig is there anything as maudlin as an Irish person taking leave of someone. Joe I have my differences with people here but what family doesn't have their differences? There's a battle ahead and we need each other. What can I add to Padraig's great choice of song? I can't top it but I will throw this in
     
  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Often
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    You beat me with that one.
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It may seem off topic but I was listening tonight to a wonderful Marian Retreat on the Rosary, given by Father Harden. It was given about the time Communism was falling around the world.

    Anyway in it he talks of the profound crisis in the Church they were experiencing back then (the 1990's). It is very insightful.

    Father Hardon was way, way ahead of his time and Prophetic. Anyway he is always worth listening to.:)

     
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  13. Mario

    Mario Powers



    I know this appears like I'm clutching at straws; but Fr. Alar is pretty convincing in saying that not only did Pope Francis not speak with magisterial authority, but simply expressed his personal opinion- this originally argued by Cardinal Burke. Fr. Alar is wonderful at stating just facts. Refreshing! I believe the most important clarification made by Fr. Alar begins about the 10:46 mark.

    The "heavy editing" creates a misconception that goes out to the world, however. Unless the Vatican retracts or clarifies, Pope Francis would thus allow the misconception to be perceived as truth.:(

    I will not hold my breath.:censored:

    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
     
  14. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    Well here's to throwing a little fuel on the fire. . According to this article the filmaker for Francesco is gay, the sodomitcal couple featured is gay, they used a lesbian as a surrogate to make three kids and Francis tells them to just explain their situation to their local pastor. What about those poor kids?? This is as sickening and perverted as you can get. And this is our pope expressing his private opinion in a documentary? BS, BS, BS, BS,.......... I think it's time for good cardinals and bishops to man up ---like Trump.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/index.php/news/article/pope-promotes-gay-couple-who-rented-uterus
     
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  15. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Yes. It is BS. I feel sorry for priests like Fr. Alar trying to explain away all the BS spewing from the Vatican. The time to stop blaming the interviewer and take a closer look at the interviewee has long passed. That time passed when the Pope didn't simply refuse to clarify what he told Scalfari but went on to give Scalfari more interviews. Passing it off as the Pope's personal opinion is pathetic because it tells us that the Vicar of Christ has joined the ranks of the "I'm Catholic but........" crowd.
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    All the Holy Father hasto do is to say publically is that he does not support Civil Unions for Sodomites and all this would go away. He has not done so, this tells us all we need to know.
     
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  17. josephite

    josephite Powers

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  18. Cardinal Burke disagrees...
    (As a member and former prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura he know a bit about these matters)

    "First of all, the context and the occasion of such declarations make them devoid of any magisterial weight. They are rightly interpreted as simple private opinions of the person who made them. These declarations do not bind, in any manner, the consciences of the faithful who are rather obliged to adhere with religious submission to what Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, and the ordinary Magisterium of the Church teach on the matter in question."
    https://www.cardinalburke.com/presentations/statement-pope-francis-civil-unions

    Note that Cardinal Burke disagrees with the Pope's words. He is certainly not an apologist for the Pope.

    But not everything the Pope says is formal teaching. And certainly it does not rise to the level of infallible teaching... formally teaching from the chair of Peter binding on the entire Church.
     
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  19. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    The Pope's private opinions are certainly not binding on the faithful and interviews are not magisterial teaching. Thank God for that. It doesn't change the fact that the Pope's publicly expressed private opinion contrasts with previous Church teaching. So, the Vicar of Christ is Catholic but believes something different than what what a previous Pope taught and he hasn't kept that opinion private.
     
  20. I must have misunderstood you.
    You agree that the
    Pope's comments are just the personal opinion of the Pope. I thought you found it pathetic that some pass off the Pope's comments as being his personal opinion (as opposed to teaching).

    I am confused. These statements seem to be in contradiction.

    No doubt I am not understanding your comments.
     

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