Locutions to the World

After the conclave ends, what specific thing are you looking for to determine if the locutions or true or not? What would make you absolutely certain?

 

I think I remember what Steve is talking about. When Mark Mallett publishes on his blog a comparison of MDM and LTW, because of the polar opposite prophecies on the next pope, he cites a priest whom he spoke with that had a vision or inner prompting of some sort. I remember thinking at the time that it sounded very similar to LTW - Almost too similar.

I didn't have any reason to think he had read the messeages, and then formulated his thoughts, but I had a similar feeling to Steve's after I read it. Mark found it stunning, I guess, but I am no less skeptical about LTW after reading that exchange.

 

I'll give my 2 cents on this. I am more positive than negative on these locutions, and I think they have about a 50 / 50 shot of being true.

I'm not sure anything will make me absolutely certain they are true, until the church rules that they are authentic. But I think that's okay because are we absolutely certain the Russia was consecrated per the instructions at Fatima? Some people say yes and some say no, so I don't think we can be absolutely certain on that. the same with the fatima 3rd secret. Was it fully disclosed, or partly disclosed, or fully disclosed but interpreted wrong...my point being there are some things we won't know as absolutely certain. Despite Medj saving my life, I can't be certain about it until the secrets are fulfilled and/or the church gives approval (although I'm 99.9% sure it is true).

However on the flip side, I can say with absolute certainty they are false if the church rules against them or the messages go against church teaching, and neither has happened yet.

Back to your question on what I will look for after the conclave to determine if they may be true...

• the new pope would be someone who was not on any short or long list of candidates from the press or historians or theologians...it should be someone who shocks everyone
• the new pope will speak of consecrating Russia to the immaculate heart almost immediately...like in the 1st week...that would be this pope's first priority
• the new pope will try to take the church in a new direction, indicating in some way that this is the direction that Mary wants it to go

those are 3 things I will look for. I'm also interested to see if anything significant happens March 18th...a key date for Medjugorje...although this may not be the year it is significant...we'll have to see.

 

Rain, I am just responding to your post that seemed to suggest that the election was close, because of only a 4-5% ratio. I only suggest that it was only a relatively small % difference, because many many people who are indifferent to our countries traditional moral values stayed home. This tells me that our country is far more morally bankrupt than election numbers indicate. That's all.

 

I see this as an example of how we will twist a prophecy that didn't come true just to suit our own beliefs.

I believe, I trust in what our heavenly Mother says. She never gets it wrong, nor says a lie, and if She has a message for us, she woul give it in a way it will not contradict.

That's just the way I see the Blessed virgin.

 

I was thinking.. if the messages from whatever source came true tomorrow.. what difference would they make to me in my day to day living.. if I had to change how I pray or act to suit them.. why not change how I pray or act today?

 

wise
insightful..
like scripture few words..

 

I rather hope that LTW is true. There are some VERY hopeful messages there. But I have to admit that my hope is quite thin. The fact that we don't know the name of the seer is quite difficult to swallow. In the accepted revelations, you always know the name of the seer...at least, I can't think of one that's not so.

But there is one thing that I noticed there. The predict a long conclave. If it's only a couple of days, then we'll know...

 

So true!
If we live the life Jesus asks of us, if we follow only what the Church approves, what have we to fear?
This I believe keeps you on track to how the Good Lord wants. Obedient to the church!

But taking a risk in following a lie scares me, alot more than being told "I need to believe or it will be too late."

While we all have room for improvement, it is a process and as long as we are moving in the direction which takes us to Jesus.

"Jesus, I turst in You."

 

I'd like to apologise for being argumentative about this.

I have been a little too insistent on my own point of view. When I get like this I realise I am not arguing for the truth but arging for myself.

Who know? I might very well be wrong as I have been a billion , billion time before. In either case I ..as the lawyers say..rest my case on this.

As has been mentioned before... and is so true of all mystical phenomena... the truth will out ib the end. In this case , one way or another very shortly.


So I will retire from being a lawyer and give this one and everyone else a rest.

 

Don't be too hard on yourself padraig.

I feel a lot of our frustrations on these messages threads could be that we are always being promised something will happen but we are continuously left waiting and wondering....
These locution messages commenced for the whole world on Dec 10th 2010.. (see post 4) I wonder have any of them predicted anything that has happened up to now?? The present ones are to do with the present days so it would be understandable to surmise the past ones would be connected to past events.

 

For me, the two things I cling to for certain is my prayer life and the doctrines of the faith. Locutions, apparitions or visions can help discern the times (or maybe confuse them), but they do not change who I am or what I believe in my heart. Whatever happens and whenever it happens, I will still cling to the Eucharist, My Rosary and My Scapular to guide and protect my faith as I have allways done.

I guess discerning various apparitions, locutions or messages only helps me prepare for the above, but they do not define who I am. Even if we disagree on specifics of what will take place........... I am certain all on this forum are, like me, trying to prepare the best we can. In the end only things that matter are...Faith, Hope and Love and the greatest of these is Love.

 

Yes at the end of the day what good is it if heaven speaks but none of listen?...and I put put the messages into effect in our lives...

 

I believe I'm like everyone here in trying to lead a God-centered life where my focus is on the sacraments. I will look at a new visionary/locutionist if it is brought to the attention of this forum. This particular one captured my attention because he/she is from the US and paints an inspiring picture of what the next pope will be like. So time will tell and I'm ready to move on if the conclave wraps up in a few days! As long as I stay on track of a God-centered sacramental life I know my focus will be in the right place!

 

Mar 05, 2013
5. The Holy Spirit’s Actions

The Next Pope

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Jesus
The hour is at hand when all the love that I have in my heart will pour out over all the Church. Benedict has made this possible by his resignation. Suddenly, the Chair of Peter is empty. The Church has no human leader. All the world awaits the decision of the cardinals. An opening exists. The Church is praying and expecting. I will give the Church more than a new pope. This is the moment of an extraordinary action of my Spirit. All will see, whether they are Catholics or not, that I have done what was never expected.
This will open my Church to a new expectancy. If I have taken this surprise action at the highest level of my Church, will I not do the same at every level? All will see that the Holy Spirit has acted in a unique manner. Everyone’s eyes will be open. A new era will begin when every Catholic will once more be open to the actions of the Holy Spirit.
Mary
The time is too precious and the hour is too momentous to allow this decision to rest in the hands of man. The cardinals will vote and, according to the established procedures, their votes will elect the new pope. That will not change. It is before they elect a candidate that the Spirit will move in a surprising way. He knows the choice of my heart. He knows what needs to be done to bring forth this priest son. He will invite the cardinals to yield to his promptings. If they do not, then he will increase his manifestations. If those in charge continue to resist him, then he will raise up other cardinals. They will come forth with the Spirit’s words of direction. However, the human cooperation of the cardinals is needed. The new pope must receive their votes. That will not change but the way the cardinals arrive at that vote will be seen by all as the clear promptings of the Holy Spirit.

Mar 06, 2013
6. Trying to Destroy the Pope

The Next Pope

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Jesus
How long can this mystery be delayed? How long before all is revealed and when all I have done and all that I have prepared in the heart of my chosen son is revealed? Soon, so very soon, the powers of hell will tremble at what I have done. In so many ways, the Evil One has tried to destroy the new pope. In so many ways, he has blocked his ascendency. In so many ways, he had him set aside. Then, came what the Evil One thought was his final blow, but I miraculously preserved what was essential. Much was torn away, but I did not let the papacy be stolen from him. These are the deep secrets that are buried in his heart.
What darkness he experienced. Had he failed me? Had he walked on the wrong path? Had I really spoken to him? For a while, even he set aside my word of the papacy. Little by little, I restored it to his heart. The word that was buried, but never rejected, took on new life. The stream flowed again in his heart. He listened to my word, followed my every direction. Now he stands where he never thought he could be, on the verge of becoming my pope.
Mary
What a path I have led him on. It was not the usual path at all. It was a hidden path. Often, I explained to him why I led him this way. In his heart, I would tell him to believe and, in his life, I led him further and further away. Oh, I explained everything and he believed my word. Then, I plunged him into the greatest darkness. He knew that this was a great gift but it seemed too great for him to handle.
How I remember those days when he saw so clearly my protective hand. All was shattered. All was broken. His years of believing and trusting – how could he ever have believed? But his eyes saw the miraculous protection I placed around him. On every side, I kept him safe. No one pierced the dark cloud of protection that surrounded those days. He sees those days for what they are – the final stage of his journey to the papacy, a stage in which he remains until I lift him high. When I do this, my mighty works can begin.

 

My heart soars with joy at these words! Between the comet and the earthquake swarm in California that the state is warning citizens to get food and water FOR TWO WEEKS!---IN CASE....the signs are all around us and I suddenly do not feel ready at ALL....

 

Uh-oh, we felt the 4.7 quake this morning, but I wasn't aware of storing food and water for 2 weeks...yikes. Concerning the locutions to the world messages, I would really like at least the ones regarding the new pope to be true. I do remember that in a locution to Father Gobbi, Our Lady said on May 13, 1990 at Fatima Portugal message #425 c. Russia has not been consecrated to me by the Pope together with all the bishops and thus she has not received the grace of conversion and has spread her errors throughout all parts of the world, provoking wars, violence, bloody revolutions and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. .... That would contradict Sister Lucia letter written to the Vatican from 1989 saying that heaven had accepted the 1984 consecration. I don't understand what is true or not, I am just trying to discern like everyone else. Blessings to you all.

 

My prayers are with you and your family Mary Ann. Yes. I am aware of that message and have tried to re-tell what the message says exactly in threads long ago. Its a profound message and something that many high ranking Cardinals like Cardinal Dias, Cardinal Sin, Cardinal Vidal and Cardinal Burke and many more believe wholeheartedly. Bishops like Bishop David Ricken of Wisconsin and Bishop Burkawitz of Nebraska and Bishop Vasa of Oregon are members of MMP also. THIS IS WHAT OUR LADY HAS BEEN TRYING TO SAY--and I'll say it plainly and then print the message on the next frame...there is a conspiracy all the way to the top....the Popes have had their hands tied--BY SOMETHING OR SOMEBODY...but the facts are in and priests, bishops and cardinals are now spilling the beans about it all....as Benedict XVI adequately said it," We have NOT heard the last of FATIMA!"--EVEN THO CARDINAL BERTONE' SAID WE HAD.....

 

#425 FATIMA PORTUGAL; May 13, 1990 Anniv. Of the First apparition at Fatima
I AM COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN
“I came down from heaven, seventy-three years ago, in this Cova da Iria, to point out for you the path you should tread in the course of this difficult century of yours. The very painful events which followed have, through their occurrence, given complete fulfillment to the words of my prophecy.

Humanity has not accepted my motherly request to return to the Lord along the road of conversion of heart and of life of prayer and of penance. Thus it has known the terrible years of the Second World War, which brought about tens of millions of deaths and vast destruction of populaces and of nations.

Russia has not been consecrated to me by the Pope together with all the bishops, and thus she has not received the grace of conversion and has spread her errors throughout all parts of the world, provoking wars, violence, bloody revolutions and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father.

Satan has been the uncontested dominator of the events of this century of yours, bringing all humanity to the rejection of God and of his Law of love, spreading far and wide division and hatred, immorality and wickedness and legitimating everywhere divorce, abortion, obscenity, homosexuality and recourse to any and all means of obstructing life.

Now you are beginning the last decade of this century of yours. I am coming down from heaven, so that the final secrets may be revealed to you and that I may be able thus to prepare you for what, as of now, you must live through, for the purification of the earth.

My third secret, which I revealed here to three little children to whom I appeared, and which up to the present has not yet been revealed to you, will be made manifest to all by the very occurrence of the events.

The Church will know the hour of its greatest apostasy. The man of iniquity will penetrate into its interior and will sit in the very temple of God, while the little remnant which will remain faithful will be subjected to the greatest trials and persecutions.
Humanity will live through the moment of its great chastisement and thus will be made ready to receive the Lord Jesus who will return to you in glory.

For this reason, especially today, I am coming down again from heaven; through my numerous apparitions; through the messages which I give; and through this extraordinary work of my Marian Movement of Priests, to prepare you to live through the events which are even now in the process of being fulfilled, in order to lead you by the hand to walk along the most difficult and painful segment of this, your second Advent, and to prepare the minds and the hearts of all to receive Jesus at the closely approaching moment of his glorious return.”

 

I'm afraid you are shining a light on something that will be hard for many to believe, even if true. But I am glad you have the courage to do it.

That is why I get so frustrated, even with Catholic media, at this momentous time. All they can seem to say is how Pope Benedict was "teaching us humility" in stepping down, and how "excited" they all are about the election of a new Pope, and how the secular media just keeps looking for political scandal but they "just don't get it"...

They apparently have no sense of the times, or the signs of the times, and it is all business as usual...

Many of us can see it coming. Many have no idea things are about to change.