"The problem here is Church teaching and tradition." -Yes it is lol. It is true some saints and doctors of the Church have stated this, but it is not as clear in canon law. I believe canon law states that bishops lose their office, but I'm not as sure about a Pope. Also, I think it needs to be announced in some official manner. If memory serves St. Bellarmine or Cajetan said the most appropriate one would be a Church council. Fat chance of that happening though.
If it can be done legitimately and with the general acceptance of the Church, with the assumption that there would be another pope duly elected, this would be perfectly orthodox and, of course, would not be remotely like schism. We are in fairly uncharted territory, God help us.
Jo M, I am not sure what is going to happen if some cardinals declare Pope Francis a heretic except that Cardinal Burke stated that if any pope commits formal heresy he immediately seizes to be pope but if the formal heresy is deaconesses it appears that the heterodox group of clergy will fight this. I think it would help if a majority agreed that allowing deaconesses is heresy. I should also mention that Pope Francis may not go along with this proposition of deaconesses based on recent statements of his. Although, my personal feeling is that he may rule with the majority and use that as an excuse to over rule his other statements. Based on statements of the orthodox clergy they are not leaving the Church and neither should we but I am really not sure how this is going to play out other than my feeling that God is going to intervene. My opinion is that the date of 3/18/20 is prophetic because of Our Lady of Medjugorje and some other thoughts that I have. I was also just thinking of Marie Julie Jahenny's prophecy of the 3 days of darkness occurring at the end of winter but I am not certain that the other things that she has stated fits the date of 3/18/20. Off the top of my head, maybe the 3 days of darkness occurs soon after 3/18/20. P., I listened to this awhile ago too but I also don't recall Father Wolfe mentioning Cardinal Burke. I am going to listen to the whole video again tomorrow because I do believe that we are in midst of the prophecies of Revelation 12 right now and this good priest must think this also. Most members here probably remember how closely I was following what was thought to be the sign if the Woman Clothed with Sun back in the Fall of 2017. I believe that the 1260 days spoken of in Rev 12 ends on 3/18/20, that is my feeling. Father Wolfe states with the aid of St. Michael the Church will purge itself of all heretics, schismatics and apostates. Now, remember Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Brandmuller both referred to IL as apostasy and now it seems that the final document will be apostasy. So, we stay and it should work out, right? I am over simplifying this, I am sure but that's what he appears to state or am I not getting this? Imo when he states that there is a definite split between the false church and the true Church he states this immediately after stating that all heretics, schismatics and apostates will be purged from the Church. So, the false church is going to be purged from the Church.
Carol, thank you for taking the time to explain all of this, it is so complicated. Wow, the 3/18/20 date does make sense. Chilling that the 1260 days in Rev 12 ends on this date. What an astute observation!
Jo M, Thank you. This is a guess based on everything that is going on. I wouldn't place any bets on this but since this is my feeling I also feel compelled to let you all know about it. Edited to add: I want to state the following in my previous post and I forgot. I also believe that the synod on marriage and the family was actually more crucial than the one going on right now because Sister Lucia stated that the final battle with the satan will be over the family and this may also be why Father Wolfe mentions Cardinal Burke in that video when he speaks of a final battle in the Church. It is definitely why I think that this coming 3/18 will be significant, not because of anything that is occurring right now at this synod but what is occurring right now is making it more apparent that we are getting close to a divine intervention.
I agree that we cannot abandon the Barque of Peter. I do also fully expect the witness of certain cardinals like Burke to be strong and steadfast. But the false church from a worldly perspective will appear to have gained the upper hand. This is why it was easy for the Vatican to assemble the necessary votes for the passage of the current synodal document. There was much more pushback at the time of the Synods on the family in 2014 and 2015. Even so, the fruit of that process still resulted in Amoris Laetitia. My sense is that the false Church will continue to push their agenda and that another synod is in the works in an attempt to unite the Catholic Church with a worldwide false Church. I believe that the next synod will be the one that precedes the Warning which will take place in early 2022. In the next two years it will continue to be more and more difficult to live authentic Christianity. I believe part of that will be the defeat of the Trump presidency in 2020 and a resulting tyranny on the national level that we New Yorkers are already experiencing on our state level. This turmoil will build also on a worldwide scale. Such chaos is necessary for the devil to bring forth his Man. We must fervently pray and fast, and join ourselves more closely to the Two Hearts so that our suffering will become redemptive. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Wow a bold prediction! Would you care to elaborate on the possible warning time frame you suggest? I seem to recall Madre Nieves said that Conchita told her the synod that precedes the warning would be an IMPORTANT one. The present synod surely is important but of course the next could be equally important, maybe more so.
think some wonder why there has not yet been the beginning of the great punishment resulting from this pontificate, I believe it is because Francis has not yet altered the liturgy, something that seems to be starting soon, with the creation of this Amazonian rite, that even though do not invalidate consecration, it could be a sacrilegious rite mixing elements of paganism in the liturgy.
In what context is Father urging us to "really pray for Cardinal Burke"? Is it because he assumes that Cardinal Burke will be the target of all those demons descending to earth for this battle and C Burke will be a main target? Or is prayer needed due to perhaps the good Cardinal being tempted to take the bull by the horns and become a new "typed" leader, other than the Pope, to have the faithful follow in trust and urgency? That itself would be a horror of confusion for the faithful. One can early on get carried away w/ such personal focus upon one's self in time of crisis and accept a mantle never intended. I've been seeing so many opinions about the current rather frightening conditions being experienced openly now within the official Church body that seem to always end up falling back on certain clerics whom they accept as the only ones worthy to lead this split off portion of the Church and throw a kind of safety net to those in such confusion. The time of darkness necessitating an underground remnant Church will have many looking for a same type of security no longer available within the institutional Church since it will have crumbled as far as the material structure goes.....like a further demolishing of its former beauty, literally, that occurred with the unexpected event of Notre Dame going suddenly up in flames. Our Lady, in her ongoing mystical leadership of her children, is now insisting on deepening one's inner spiritual dependence upon the two Hearts, going more deeply into scripture that we truly know her Son in the deepest way that will stand as our source for the long suffering and courage we will need when all is being purified. She insists on the Eucharist and the Rosary but she does not even hint that anyone should personally take on the mantle arranged in the already established explicit manner for the Church's mystical structure....even if defective man fails in this mission. She knows that Satan's goal from the beginning was to weaken the Body of Christ on earth UNTIL it was ripe for his final attack upon the Seat of Peter for once that becomes acknowledged as not worth its place then it will no longer hold any authority in the eyes of the world and it will make the world fertile ground for the grand attempt of eliminating any vestige of its raison d'être. Yes, things must happen, but woe to anyone whose human weakness contributes to the final split....since the way to hell is paved with good intentions.
Blizzard, Fatima and I have a very similar outlook, but our timing is different. I think his belief that Pope Emeritus Benedict plays a key role demands a sooner-than-later timetable because of Benedict's fragility. My timetable is pushed out a little because I believe that Trump has provided a reprieve for the USA. Even so, the dominance of the United States must be negated for the NWO to move center stage; I think this will be hastened by Trump losing the election (via a recession) and the Democrats gaining control of all three branches. Thus 2021 will be a preparation for the appearance of a Man of Lawlessness and the emergence of a False Prophet figure which might help precipitate the Abomination of Desolation. I believe the seven-year period of tribulation will end sometime around 2029. My timetable is primarily influenced by Our Lady of Good Success promising her victory in the first part of the 21st century. Her other predicted dates were quite accurate. If I'm wrong I'll try to continue my call of faithful husband/deacon/chaplain. Everything is in God's hands. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.
I think the constellation in Oct. 2017 was very significant. So does Fr Heilman. He believes it Marks the end of Pope Leo's 100 years.
Perhaps I did not do a good job in my 3-4 posts over the past couple of pages here trying to explain my point. Again I am not trying to foster schismatic thoughts. I don't think that Fr. Wolfe is stating what you are in your post above, unless I am misunderstanding you. I don't think he means that the Church, as it is now, will recognize all of the heretics and eject them. Barring a miracle (which is a possibility) that won't happen. My understanding of Fr. Wolfe's point is that he seems to be saying Cardinal Burke needs to deliver the formal correction to Pope Francis after which (assuming Pope Francis does not reverse himself) Pope Francis would fall from office. That is similar to what Cardinal Burke hinted at years ago regarding the formal correction. Pope Francis most likely though would not agree to go and so there would be 2 Churches. There would then be a "hard schism" and the remnant who cling to the Truths of the faith would elect a new Pope and move on. All the heretics would be out in their own "false Church." Now...I am not saying Fr. Wolfe is right. I'm just saying that seems to be what he is saying. There would be a hard schism and 2 Churches afterward. One false Church following a new religion and a remnant Catholic Church. This is however problematic in many ways. There is no exact provision for this in canon law. There is a lot of theological literature and thought on the subject, but no clear cut method has been approved by a Church council. My guess is that this is why Cardinal Burke never pursued the formal correction. The end of that road is a hard schism. Messy, messy
See my post #454 above. I think Fr. Wolfe is saying we should pray for Cardinal Burke to deliver the correction. Then he goes on to say this will initiate a hard schism with a false and true Church. I'm not saying he is right or wrong, just that is what it seems to me he is saying.
It seems to me there are two 100 year time periods that dovetail with each other. I think 2029 will be the end of the 100 year time period Our Lord alluded to Sister Lucy, as that will be 100 years from the time He issued the warning to His ministers through her. Then sometime afterward (possibly 2035-45) the 100 year time period Pope Leo spoke about with the devil having increased power will be broken and we will see the Immaculate Heart Triumph. This would go along with Anne Catherin Emmerich's prophecy about the devils being loosed about a decade before the middle of the 20th century. I don't think that 2017 could have been the end of Pope Leo's 100 years because it would mean that evil would begin to wane then, and as we can see it is still getting stronger and stronger. I also think the 2029 date makes sense because it will be 2000 years or so since Our Lord began His ministry on Earth. That is just the well-informed timeline I have been thinking through in my head. Any of us could be wrong. We will see.
Taylor Marshall pretty much proves in his book “Infiltration” that much of the Pope Leo “hundred years” prophecy is apocryphal, especially the idea of a period of specifically 100 years itself, which Pope Leo did not state, but was a later accretion to the legend. So I wouldn’t place too much emphasis on that hundred year timeline in your thoughts.
From my Kindle version of the book: This eliminates the “hundred years” considerations from our personal timelines, making it entirely possible that the Warning and minor chastisement are much closer than we thought.
Thanks Brian. I have Taylor Marshall's book and have read it. I wouldn't say his book proves the 100 years part of the vision didn't happen, rather it fails to prove that it did happen, which are two separate things. I think God has a way of preserving the knowledge that He wants people to get, yet at the same time often allows some cloudiness so there is some faith involved on our part. For example, there are problems with tracing a direct line of authenticity from many of the prophecies we regularly rely on here. Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, Our Lady of Good Success, St. Francis' Prophecy among others. All of these and many more cannot be traced back exactly or there are "gaps" in their historically traceable lineage. Probably many of the prophetic quotes attributed to the ancient saints also. Yet they are strikingly accurate in depicting where we are at now. God seems to have a way of getting them to us, but with some hint of doubt. Perhaps this is to test our faith or for some other reason. I think if we were to demand a direct pedigree from every prophecy we rely on here we would be left with very little with which to go on. Your point is taken though, which is why I usually don't try to pinpoint exact dates for future happenings. The final events could occur next year or be many decades away. We have no way of really knowing for sure. We can only discern the signs of the times.
I compared my timezone with that of Rome's, it appears that 9AM Roman time, lines up with 12 midnight, my time. I don't when exactly the closing mass for the Synod will occur, but the last thing I'm going to do before going to bed tonight, will be to say a Rosary for our Holy Father, the Synod, reparation for the idols, and the Salvation of all our brother and sister Lay Catholics.
