Thank you for the support MC . I don't think he cared for my rigid, unbending viewpoints. Apparently all I did was prove his thesis about Trads. We are all stupid, parroting idiots who don't know how to carve out thoughts of our own. Perhaps it wasn't very "pastoral" of me to uphold the Truth. I suppose I need to take classes so I can better "dialogue" during my next "spiritual encouter" with those of other beliefs.
The problem is "the spirit of vatican 2" which tears us away from tradition and catholicism. This is what PF and the St Gallan's mafia believe in.
I like Michael Matt of Remnant TV, but I was wary of him. Having watched this discussion between him and Taylor Marshall, I see him in a completely different light, although I still think he is too hard on Pope John Paul, especially JP11's outreach to non-Catholics. He talks about Pope John Paul saying something about a New World Order but I don't think he makes allowances for the very real possibility that JP11's vision for a NWO would have been completely different than what the Masons have in mind. I also don't think he makes allowances for JP11 having been surrounded by very questionable staff. For example, there's mention of the accidental discovery in the Vatican of the briefcase containing Masonic paraphernalia but they don't link it to the member of the curia responsible for organising those ecumenical gatherings. Nor do they mention that after the discovery of the briefcase, the priest was transferred to some foreign backwater. I was fascinated listening to Michael describe the early days of the "resistance". Hearing an insider's perspective has removed most if not all of my reservations about Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX. They recognised very early on what I have only begun to wake up to, especially the manipulation of Vatican 11 where some documents were deliberately worded in a vague manner to leave them open to modernist interpretation (similar to what happened with Amoris Laetitia). It got me thinking, also, about how easy it appears to be for Pope Francis to change the Catechism. Cardinal Schonborn had a big role in writing the Catechism when JP11 was Pope, and the Cardinal is turning out to be very much a Modernist. Although I've become more conscious of tradition since joining this forum, more especially since Pope Francis starting changing the Faith, I wouldn't really qualify as a "Trad" but I'm growing more appreciative of them every day. Some of Dr. Marshall's recent videos weren't great, but this one is really worth watching:
Thank you for speaking the truth Praetorian. I think sometime in the not too distant future the divide between Catholics is going to be gone. I do not think we will see a schism because not a single person I know who is labelled a trad will leave it over such petty arguments within our own family. I think if we are paying attention the battle we are facing is coming not from within but from a world gone so far astray that anyone who loves God and Jesus will be hated and considered by all the enemy of the world. We are there already I think, it is just that the forces of the world have not united yet fully against the Bride of Christ.
Thanks Don. I send kudos to DeGaulle who laid out a much more thorough and thoughtful argument than mine. His knowledge far exceeds mine in many areas and he does a good job at relaying it. I don't think there will be a schism over this either. I think somewhere down the road there might be a schism over something else. If I remember correctly prophecy speaks of a "puppet Pope" being set up in Rome after the Vatican is overrun by the Russians, but I think we are afar off from that event if it indeed occurs. What seems more probable is that the Church will continue to drift into 2 camps and the faithful will possibly be "excommunicated" for holding to the old beliefs or they will simply be ignored. I think the future of the Remnant will be something akin to what has happened to the SSPX. We will continue to exist in basements and little chapels strewn all over the world holding to the old Faith while the "Nu-church" continues to chug on for a while until it is ultimately destroyed.
Yes, and the 'spirit of Vatican II' is an evil one, a betrayal and twisted distortion of what was intended by the Council Fathers. Maybe, what would be very helpful now is to actually fully implement Vatican II as originally intended. This implementation might be undergone in the future as part of the Church's revival. It is ironic to see the St Gallen mafia enthuse about globalism and one-world government having been party to the near-destruction of the original global institution, including the near-annihilation of it's universal language, and now attempting to convert the Church into a series of national Churchlets even as they effectively support the abandonment of those same nations. What is not of God cannot be coherent or rational. Perhaps, we should pray to St Gallen, who is surely deeply angry at what is being done in his name. Saint Gallen, intercede for us.
More help needed for those who feel cursed, possessed, says exorcist The Catholic Church, through its priests, deacons and lay experts, must do more to listen to, comfort and assist those who feel troubled, tempted, cursed or possessed, said an Italian exorcist. Even if those seeking help do not show signs of demonic influence or possession, “do not deny them spiritual assistance,” said Father Benigno Palilla, a member of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal and an exorcist for the Archdiocese of Palermo. There are many ways to assist those seeking help, offering them “peace and comfort and preventing them from going to witch doctors” and other practitioners of the occult, he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, March 22. The 78-year-old friar is the director of the John Paul II Center in Palermo, a center dedicated to providing ongoing formation for exorcists throughout the region of Sicily as well as offering help to exorcists in Italy and abroad. He told the Vatican newspaper that the number of people turning to the occult for help is constantly increasing “because they believe they are possessed by the devil or to solve problems related to the family, work or love.” Around 13 million people said they had turned to sorcerers, mediums, tarot card readers and other forms of the occult just last year — a number that was extremely high, he said; Italy’s total adult population is about 54 million. The number of people turning to magic and the occult will keep rising, he added, “if we pastors do not do something concrete to stop it,” especially through evangelization and warning the faithful of the dangers associated with “incorrectly understanding Christianity.” Priests need adequate preparation, starting in the seminary where studies should include demonology and angelology, and continuing with pastoral programs dedicated to exorcism that collaborate with programs dedicated to health care, Father Palilla said. People who think they are a victim of demonic activity or are experiencing mental distress or illness “must be certain they have before them a priest who is prepared” and knows what to do to help them, he said. “Instead, all too often, these people end up not finding that comfort and support that they need in the church,” he said, which is why they then turn to the occult, religious charlatans or bogus faith healers. “Our task as exorcists is not just to perform exorcisms on those who are possessed but also to embrace those people who think they are victims of demonic activity, but in reality, they are not,” he said. The church has very strict rules governing exorcisms, which are never performed without first ascertaining the person is not suffering from a physical, emotional or psychological problem. Even when it looks like a person is not possessed, he said the person must not be denied other forms of spiritual help, including prayer, reciting the rosary, attending Mass or attending a retreat. Deacons, lay experts and prayer groups play a critical role in offering help, he added.
Yes, a big thank you as well to DeGaulle. I wish I had one tenth the ability to bring to mind the truth you seem so readily able to wield.
DeGaulle, Well said. I just came across the following article about Pope Francis which includes the comment of his that you stated in the above post. I am careful about what I say about the pope because I simply am not 100% certain about him. He has done some very questionable things but he has also stated the things listed in this article. March 22, 2019 The Politically Incorrect Francis—14 Shocking Statements Paul Kengor | https://www.crisismagazine.com/2019/the-politically-incorrect-francis-14-shocking-statements
This shows clearly how bewildering is our Pope. To magnify the effect, one must not forget the reluctance of the mainstream media outlets to report such severe orthodoxy. Taken all together, it's hard not to feel the requirement of reassessing what on earth is going on. Either way, the St Gallen group might well be considering they sold themselves a pup. It is a great pity some of those devastating comments on abortion and on homosexuality in the priesthood have not received the same publicity as 'who am I to judge?', the latter comment one I always thought was misinterpreted by the liberals in relation to its context.
DeGaulle, Cardinal Mueller has stated time and time again that Pope Francis is taking advice from the wrong clergymen. This article makes a lot of sense to me in that respect and in other ways also. In my opinion, the article shows what can happen when we have disdain for a particular group of people, we can be dragged in an absolutely worse direction. I am alluding to the idea that the author presents in which Pope Francis does not like (those are my words) traditionalists, conservatives, “ideologues,” and “right-wingers.”. The following is the passage from the article that I am referring to. ... So, in sum, looking at these 14 [Fourteen of Pope Francis' politically incorrect statements] , where does this leave us? What are we to make of this? As for traditional Catholics who don’t like Francis, what do you do with this list? As for liberals who love Francis, surely you’re asking the same question for different reasons. Is this still your long-anticipated “reformer” gloriously “gaying” the Church? Maybe the better question for orthodox Catholics would be: What does this say about Francis and the mess going on around him? I stick to what I’ve been saying: I don’t think Pope Francis is a willful deceiver. When he speaks of the Devil’s deception, he wants no part of the deceit. He is a genuine man of mercy—and a man of loose lips. He’s also a product of the 1960s and ’70s and ’80s Jesuits, of the Latin American Church, and of Argentina, and harbors mistaken perceptions and prejudices regarding Church traditionalists, conservatives, “ideologues,” and “right-wingers.” Thus, he has chosen to surround himself with left-leaning clergy he feels more comfortable with, and it is they, I submit, who help lead him into chaos (maybe with some assistance from that Devil that Francis astutely warns about). He’s more along the lines of a Pope Paul VI, in this respect; he has made himself susceptible to being duped. I could say more, but I’ll leave a fuller analysis for another time. This article doesn’t seek to answer this, nor do I think I have the complete answer. Of course, I certainly don’t think all’s well in Francis-land. These past six years of his papacy have constituted a period of great turmoil, and I’m sure the Church is losing rather than gaining numbers as a result. If the Holy Spirit led this choice of Francis, it’s terribly hard at this moment to see where to and why. This has been a bad time, and it seems to be only getting worse. In fact, I could easily write up a separate top 14 list of politically correct statements from Francis that liberals would adore and conservatives would revile. This has been an unsettling, challenging time. Five more years of Benedict XVI would have been preferable at least to spare us the vast confusion under Francis. Above all, it’s difficult to trust Pope Francis right now, whether this is his fault or not, and if his fault, then whether fully or not. For now, however, forward this list to your favorite Francis-bashing conservative and Francis-loving liberal and see how they respond. Enjoy—it will surely add to the controversy surrounding this often-perplexing pontiff. https://www.crisismagazine.com/2019/the-politically-incorrect-francis-14-shocking-statements I think that we are witnessing the ammo of the devil all around us, divide us and conquer us. PS - It's no wonder why I think of Pope Francis as the hippie pope, I don't mean this to be a dig necessarily but it's definitely an observation. PPS - I hope that everyone here takes the time to read this article. It is a bit long and Crisis Magazine even admits that but they have included an audio for the article so you can listen to it while you do some chores.
It is the exact same phenomena that we have seen in the US for the past 30 years but is so painfully obvious today. Pure unadulterated, blatant, media bias. They no longer report the facts unless they fit their cause. They report exactly what they want the people to believe. Nothing more and nothing less. The worst part of it is that we fall for it.
I read the article, Carol, and thanks for posting it. I can't comment on it because I'm trying very hard to curtail my comments on Pope Francis during Lent.
The Pope at the Holy House of Loreto celebrating Mass on the Solemnity of the Annunciation ad orientum
Thanks, Carol55. Reading this only further convinces me to pray for Pope Francis, and against the powers-of-darkness that hold sway over the worldwide communications network. It is very tempting to read the article and say, "But, but, but...At least it gives me pause and reminds me of who the real enemy is: Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Unfortunately, I think these spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places are renting out a number of earthly habitations! Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
Thanks, Carol55. Reading this only further convinces me to pray for Pope Francis, and against the powers-of-darkness that hold sway over the worldwide communications network. It is very tempting to read the article and say, "But, but, but...At least it gives me pause and reminds me of who the real enemy is: Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Unfortunately, I think these spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places are renting out a number of earthly habitations! Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
Has anyone read the Apostolic Exhortation Gaudete et Exsultate: On the Call to Holiness in Today's World. I'm reading it now, it seems to be fairly all right. http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...tazione-ap_20180319_gaudete-et-exsultate.html "13. This should excite and encourage us to give our all and to embrace that unique plan that God willed for each of us from eternity: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you” (Jer 1:5). FOR YOU TOO 14. To be holy does not require being a bishop, a priest or a religious. We are frequently tempted to think that holiness is only for those who can withdraw from ordinary affairs to spend much time in prayer. That is not the case. We are all called to be holy by living our lives with love and by bearing witness in everything we do, wherever we find ourselves. Are you called to the consecrated life? Be holy by living out your commitment with joy. Are you married? Be holy by loving and caring for your husband or wife, as Christ does for the Church. Do you work for a living? Be holy by labouring with integrity and skill in the service of your brothers and sisters. Are you a parent or grandparent? Be holy by patiently teaching the little ones how to follow Jesus. Are you in a position of authority? Be holy by working for the common good and renouncing personal gain.[14] 15. Let the grace of your baptism bear fruit in a path of holiness. Let everything be open to God; turn to him in every situation. Do not be dismayed, for the power of the Holy Spirit enables you to do this, and holiness, in the end, is the fruit of the Holy Spirit in your life (cf. Gal 5:22-23). When you feel the temptation to dwell on your own weakness, raise your eyes to Christ crucified and say: “Lord, I am a poor sinner, but you can work the miracle of making me a little bit better”. In the Church, holy yet made up of sinners, you will find everything you need to grow towards holiness. The Lord has bestowed on the Church the gifts of scripture, the sacraments, holy places, living communities, the witness of the saints and a multifaceted beauty that proceeds from God’s love, “like a bride bedecked with jewels” (Is 61:10)." The best we can do is pray and sacrifice for the Pope, the Cardinals and the Bishops. God grant that they become the saints that the Church needs them to be.
