How do I deal with liberal outrage?

One of the things that really angers me is when liberals get “morally” outraged. When liberals get morally outraged, I get this very strong desire to just tell them off and let them have it, not always, there are a few times when I’ve seen clips of liberals loosing it and not get angry.

I want to be more bold and open at my secular college this coming semester, but I’m worried about scenarios where a student might loose it and then I get angry and just let them have it. I know there are times where it’s appropriate to get angry, but how do I distinguish between the right times and the wrong times, and what do I do to keep my anger in control so that I doesn’t go too far?

 

Personally, I think that unless I was extremely confident that I could state my argument without becoming emotional and overtly confrontational I would avoid it altogether and focus my efforts elsewhere.

 

If we honestly take a look around we pretty much would be angry all the time. The world is a cesspool. I think since you already have a lot of anger you should cultivate your sorrow. These poor souls are on a dark path that is getting darker all of the time. The end of that path is not a happy one. Without God's Grace there is nothing you can do to change them. No argument you can make. No position you can take.

If you become angry they will too and that will actually strengthen their position against you and the Truth. My suggestion is to pray for them and if you have any dealings with them where these things come up, put forth the Truth and don't try to force it into them. It will either reach them or it won't. Most communication is non-verbal. Your demeanor and attitude can often win an argument more than your words.

 

Under ordinary circumstances, I could say things calmly and rationally without getting confrontational. The problem comes when the other person or people blow their lid or have an air of moral superiority, that’s where I’ll start feeling hostile.

I guess the best thing to do when things go that way, is to simply tell them I’m there for a rational dialogue, not to be lectured or tyrannized by a false morality, and then calmly walk away.

 

I know, I too go through this. I often have thought about the men in my life that have made an impact on me and the one thing I think that they all have shared was that they were willing to listen to me. None of them rebuked me or made me feel small. Ever.
I noticed they all seemed to share in a joy and love of others firstly because they never became angry. This made a large impact on me. After this it was their absolute humility that struck me when I realized that they clearly held great wisdom and the superior view on a subject but never expressed it in that way.
I imagine that many of the Fathers of the Church were of this vein. Men such as Augustine I imagine in his arguments were quite infuriating to his opponents specifically because of his love for his fellow man.
Have you asked yourself why they infuriate you when they so eagerly and clearly expose their own pride in an air of superiority or scorn? Do not reply tit for tat when they expose themselves in this way but instead repay them with an act of kindness or humility in some way.
I can tell you from my experience that this will burn them up more than anything you can say to them in an attempt to change their mind to see things your way. Suffer some humiliation and return it with an act of love. Be the example. I don't do this well. It is a huge struggle for me because I am deeply prideful. When I do manage to give myself over to it though it works every single time. Sometimes it takes time to see results with someone but they always come so long as I remain true to the course and let go of my pride.

Romans 12
[14] Bless them that persecute you: bless, and curse not. [15] Rejoice with them that rejoice; weep with them that weep.
[16] Being of one mind one towards another. Not minding high things, but consenting to the humble. Be not wise in your own conceits. [17] To no man rendering evil for evil. Providing good things, not only in the sight of God, but also in the sight of all men. [18] If it be possible, as much as is in you, have peace with all men. [19] Revenge not yourselves, my dearly beloved; but give place unto wrath, for it is written: Revenge is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord. [20] But if thy enemy be hungry, give him to eat; if he thirst, give him to drink. For, doing this, thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head.
[21] Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil by good.

 

I am the only conservative in the family that lives in my area. I never say a word when they are spouting off to each other and don't act angry. Over time one of my liberal sisters has cautioned the others not to talk politics in front of me. For the most part it has worked. I am happy that love and peace in the family is becoming more important as time goes by.

 

It's like controlling a river, the river is the way that it is but as long as you're operating the flood gates you're fine. The problem is when you lose control of your emotions and let them control you. That's only appropriate in open war, I think. The bad kind of anger is born of wounded pride, so if you're concerned about looking bad or like an idiot that will result in bad rage. I try to speak calmly and slowly with liberals and listen to them. Waiting for the rage to fizzle out with a kind look in your eyes is the best method. They're like children throwing tantrums, remember that, you should be the adult in the situation.

Usually they just stop speaking to you and stop making eye contact, if they look you in the eyes they can never maintain their anger, as long as you look back with love for their human dignity (but not pity, condescension is bad).

 

I go to a liberal west coast University in the US, I think of this video sometimes when I run into the sort of energy you're talking about. Laughter is often the best way to drive the devil away.

 

I like the words of St James, 'The Justice of God is not served by the wrath of man'.

Looking back on my life I cannot think of a single occasion where getting angry has helped things. Not one. ...and I have gotten angry so many , many times. If they get angry they are only harming themselves. If you get angry back you are just harming yourself and you won't be doing them any favours either.

People often quote Jesus getting angry in the Temple. But He is God; He is perfect He can do as He wants.

I am not a big fan of anger. It just never seems to work out well. If I thought my anger would convert people I would be in a permanent state of rage. But people never respond well to it. It just gets their backs up.

 

If you haven;t already done so watch the interview of Dr Jordan Petersen with ultra Liberal Cathy Newman.

Watch how Petersen keeps his cool and totally demolishes her. It is an object lesson.

 

He is always engaged and interested and never ridicules or talks condescendingly to anyone.

 

I'd love to see him convert to the Faith.

 

That’s one thing I often try to tell myself. I know it’s true, but I often get the temptation to think I’m being a doormat, or that they need to know how wrong they are.

I need to pray and meditate more on this, if I’m going to overcome that temptation. I’ve decided to focus most of my prayer intentions on this from now on, though not to the point of letting my guard down on the sexual temptations.

 

I do have an interest in Jordan Peterson’s material. I do have one of his books, I may read it one day, but I need to focus on St. Thomas Aquinas and the basics of philosophy.

 

My new prayer intention is to be merciful to others, as the Lord was merciful to me.

 

I heard him jokingly say once that he believes in the church ⛪ of Joachim de Fiore.

 

I suppose the greatest mercy we can give is to impart the Truth to others. But I think we must wait for the Holy Spirit to give us a gentle shove to do so. ..and to teach us how to do this.

The first step is to pray for people; that turns the doors to their hearts and make sit possible for them to enter. I think if the people we wish to talk to are angry , or feeling like victims (as so many of them do) they will not be receptive.

St Maximilian Kolbe , when he was in Kracow visited the Head of the Freemasons in the City on numerous occasions and eventually obtained the guys conversion.

I heard Blessed Fulton Sheen tell a story the other week. A guy was dying but refused to see a priest. Fulton Sheen visited him over 30 times before obtaining his conversion on his death bed.

I think the great key is prayer and sacrifice.

I remember one time I was sitting at the back of a city centre Church when one of the women who helps out came upstairs to see me (she ran the parish library and so knew me from this) . She told me a guy had wondered in from the street , a complete Atheist who wanted to talk about the Faith. When I went down to see him we talked a very little while and when I told Him like Nicodemus that, 'You are not far from the Kingdom of God he burst out crying. It was not my words , grace had already done its work.

On another occasion I prayered in a Catholic Church in Amsterdam in the Netherlands to Our Lady to grant me a soul. On the way out I met an old man entering who looked a little confused. He told me he had been inside a Catholic Church for over 30 years but on passing he flet the sudden strong urge to enter.

 

I suppose in some sense we are meant to be doormats. For Jesus said, 'I am sending you out as a lamb among wolves. ' Of course all the Apostles , with the exception of St John died for the Faith.

Look at the list of Popes who died Martyrs. yet Jesus said, 'Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the Earth'. So it has proved to be, for look at the Church today she has indeed inherited the Earth.

That is why we need the Blood of Martyrs today to cleanse the Church anew. This is why we are about to enter into the greatest persecution of them all.


Martyr popes
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

In tradition, the first pope, Saint Peter, was crucified upside-down.

• Saint Peter (c.67), traditionally martyred by crucifixion[3]
• Pope Linus (Saint) (c.67-c.76)[4][5]
• Pope Anacletus or Cletus (Saint) (c.79-c.92)[6][4]
• Pope Clement I (Saint) (c.92-c.99), thrown into sea with anchor around his neck[4]
• Pope Evaristus (c.99-c.108);[4][5] not listed in the Roman Martyrology
• Pope Alexander I (Saint) (c.106-c.119);[4][5] recognition as the martyred Saint Alexander (feast day May 3) rescinded in 1960
• Pope Sixtus I (Saint) (c.119-c.128)[4][5]
• Pope Telesphorus (Saint) (c.128-c.138)[4][7]
• Pope Anicetus (Saint) (155-166), traditionally martyred.[4]
• Pope Soter (Saint) (166-175), died a martyr [4]
• Pope Eleuterus (Saint) (175-189), died a martyr [4]
• Pope Victor I (Saint) 189-199, died a martyr [4]
• Pope Calixtus I (Saint) (217-222), died a martyr [4]
• Pope Urban I (Saint) 222-230, died a martyr [4]
• Pope Pontian (Saint) 230-235, condemned to mines in Sardinia and died on island of Tavolara[4]
• Pope Anterus (Saint) Elected 235-12-21, martyred at hands of Emperor Maximus [4]
• Pope Fabian (Saint) Elected 236-1-10 and died a martyr 250-1-20 during persecution by Decius[4]
• Pope Cornelius (Saint) Elected March 251 and died a martyr June 253.[4]
• Pope Lucius I (Saint) Elected 253-6-25 and martyred 254-3-5.[4]
• Pope Stephen I (Saint) Elected 254-5-12 and martyred 257-8-2.[4][1]
• Pope Sixtus II (Saint) Elected 257-8-30 and martyred 258-8-6.[4]
• Pope Dionysius (Saint) Elected 259-7-22 after year of persecutions and died 268-12-26, martyred [4]
• Pope Felix I (Saint) Elected 269-1-5 and died 274-12-30, martyred [4]
• Pope Eutychian (Saint) Elected 275-1-4 and martyred 283-12-7. [4]
• Pope Caius (Saint) Elected 283-12-17 and martyred 296-4-22, but not at hands of his uncle, Diocletian [4]
• Pope Marcellinus (Saint) Elected 296-6-30 and martyred 304-10-25 during persecution of Diocletian [4]
• Pope Marcellus I (Saint) Elected 308-5-27 after 4-year vacancy and martyred 309-1-16.[4]
• Pope Eusebius (Saint) Elected 309-4-18 and martyred in Sicily 309-8-17. [4][8]
• Pope John I (Saint), Elected August 13, 523, during the Ostrogothic occupation of the Italian peninsula. Was sent as an envoy by Ostrogoth king Theodoric to Constantinople. Upon return, Theodoric accused John I of conspiracy with the Byzantine empire. Imprisoned and starved to death on 18 May 526. [4]
• Pope Martin I (Saint) Elected in 649. Died in exile 655-9-16
  
  

 

It always strikes me that Athieism in a curious way is a form of Faith. For no one can prove that God exists or that God does not exist. We can of course provide Proofs that God exists. Facts that bolster Faith. But no positive proof that He exists.

We walk by Faith.

On the other hand while Atheists might provide false, 'Proofs' , that God does not exist they cannot actually prove that God does not exist.

So in a very curious way Atheism , it seems to me , is curiously like A Faith or religion.