Bill Kristol is a never Trumper/Globalist elitist (labeled as a neo-conservative). His father is Irving Kristol, himself labeled as the "godfather of neoconservatism". His mother was Gertrude Himmelfarbe...was an "intellectual historian", concentrating on Great Britain and Victorian literature. She wrote and analyzed various cultures, contemporary as well. More Utopian types with theories. I think he is editor of the Weekly Standard and associated with various think tanks.
Dolours, Yet, nobody is permitted to sound alarm bells or ask questions because it's the Jewish state of Israel and Jews are the sacred race who mustn't be offended because the Germans committed genocide against them. Just the opposite....there is no other country constantly threatened and accused by most every member of that great future forming NWO organization, responsible for its own hired thugs abusing victims within regions of terrorism that they were hired to assist, the UN. Israel has hardly a backer....as their usual history repeats itself today. And the reason they won't be forced to do anything but defend themselves is because the world knows they will do just that. But there will come a time when those who won't find any excuse for them now will be able to rejoice...and that's when the terrorists so defended here it would appear, finally get their way and Iran does get those nukes developed via the compliant and weak EU globalist types and Israel will, for the most part, be wiped out, but for a remnant. The historical focus of hatred, by the diabolical powers/fallen angels, continuing to this day, is due to being the "material" for the coming of the Christ and the final defeat of that evil....and that realization is still meant for the Jews and will come to pass via God's unfathomable Mercy.
Give us a break, for Heaven's sake. I'll eat my proverbial hat if that NWO doesn't include many of Israel's wealthy backers and apologists. With the US veto protecting Israel at the UN, it gets away with far more than any other country would. And there you go again with the hatred talk. If it isn't accusations of hatred, it's accusations of anti-Semitism. I see no difference between that and the crowd pushing gender fluidity attacking as haters anyone who won't pretend that people are born either male or female. Frankly, some of what you say sounds heavily influenced by the Rapture crowd. Now, can you tell me whether Armenians would get away with launching air strikes on their neighbours or defying UN resolutions because Turkey (now a NATO member) attempted genocide against them. Is anti-Armenianism a crime anywhere in the world? Incidentally, Turkey is an Armenian genocide deniar. No chance of sanctions being imposed against them. Being a NATO member is tantamount to having a get out of gaol free card. Jihadi highway? No problem. Arm Islamic terrorists? No problem. Send troops to fight in a neighbouring country? No problem.
Dolours, Your welcome, I'm not familiar with the Weekly Standard either. I can understand the concept of Jewish-Americans supporting the State of Israel financially and politically also. As you have stated, that's no different than any other ethnic group supporting their ancestral homeland. I think that in times of unrest/war it is common for the perpetrator of a particular incident not to admit or deny that they are the guilty party. I also believe that people may have become accustom to terrorists taking credit for a particular incident but this varies also some times. In addition, some times we hear of an attack and then it is denied that the attack has in fact occurred, this is probably due to the fact that the targeted people may not want to be forthcoming about the details of their losses which I believe is also common during unrest/war. It could also be the case that the targeted area/people are doing something that breaks an agreement or treaty or exposes them of doing something else that they do not want to admit that they are doing. In regard to whether or not Philip Giraldi is a racist or a bigot, I have no idea but from reading that article by Alan Dershowitz he appears to believe that Mr. Giraldi crosses a line often and Valerie Plame appears to confirm that he crossed a line in that particular article that he wrote which she re-tweeted because she apologized for doing so. If Alan Dershowtiz accuses people of being anti-Semitic very often than that would be a different situation but I don't believe that he does. Iow, I don't believe that everyone who is criticizing those who support Israel are being labeled as bigots or anti-Semitics just those who appear to cross a line.
That makes more sense than tripe about everyone hating secular Israel on the Devil's say-so. I was surprised at Deshowitz playing the anti-Semitism card because, as you say, it's not his style. Nevertheless, I did detect from what he said an insinuation that everyone who criticises Israel and its Jewish-American supporters must be anti-Semitic. That those Jewish-American supporters straddle both sides of the US political divide or are supporters of different political parties in Israel doesn't change the fact that they have an inordinate amount of influence in the policies of the world's most powerful country. For example, what other country's American supporters have a guaranteed input in the Democratic Party's policies concerning their ancestral homeland? Over-use of the Anti-Semitism card can be counter-productive. There are signs of that already in Europe, especially with the increasing number of Muslim voters. The left-wing parties (traditionally supported by European Jews) are seeing a demographic change in their electoral strongholds and they will sing whatever tune gets them elected. They might act differently when in power but that's a risky business as the white working class voters taught the Democrats in the recent US presidential election.
So, instead of deal with the substance of the article, you predictably resort to fallacies once again. I'm starting to realize that there was and is collusion with a foreign government taking place, but not Russia. Replace "Russia" with "Israel and Saudi Arabia" and the entire narrative starts to make sense. As for Bill Kristol, he is the son of the godfather of Neoconservatism, Irving Kristol. Pat Buchanan detailed the origins of these Neocons, and the danger they pose to America, in his 2005 book Where the Right Went Wrong: Who are they, the neoconservatives? The first generation were ex-Trotskyites, socialists, leftists, and liberals who backed FDR, Truman, JFK, and LBJ. When the Democratic party was captured by McGovern in 1972— on a platform of cutting defense and “Come Home America!“— these Cold War liberals found themselves isolated and ignored in their own party. Adrift, they rafted over to the Republican Party and were pulled aboard as conservatism’s long voyage was culminating in the triumph of Reagan. Neoconservatives were the boat people of the McGovern revolution that was itself the political vehicle of the moral, social, and cultural revolutions of the 1960s. Kevin Phillips wrote then that a neoconservative was more likely to be a magazine editor than a bricklayer. Today, he is more likely to be a resident scholar at a public policy institute like AEI, or its clones such as the Center for Security Policy or the Project for the New American Century. Almost none came out of the Goldwater campaign, the catalyzing event of modern conservatism, or out of the business world or the military. As one wag has written, a neocon is more familiar with the inside of a think tank than of an Abrams tank. Their heroes are the heroes of the Left: Wilson, FDR, Truman, Martin Luther King, and senators Henry “Scoop” Jackson and Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Among luminaries of the neoconservative persuasion are Jeane Kirkpatrick, Bill Bennett, Michael Novak, and Father Richard John Neuhaus. Scholar-authors Charles Murray and James Q. Wilson are often claimed. In numbers, it is a tiny movement, without a national constituency, “all chiefs and no Indians,” as was said in the 1970s. And while many neocons are Jewish, most Jewish writers and intellectuals in America are liberals and many are among the sharper critics of neoconservatism. Even on the Right, not all Jewish writers are neocons, though support for Israel is broad and deep, and no more surprising than is opposition to abortion among Catholics, Mormons, and Evangelical Christians. According to Irving Kristol, the “godfather” of the movement, … the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be… to convert the Republican Party and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy. Foremost among the traditional ideas conservatives must discard are those in the Farewell Address, Washington’s admonition that we stay out of foreign wars and avoid “permanent alliances” and “passionate attachments” to nations not our own. Intervention, wars for democracy, and a passionate attachment to Israel are what neoconservatism is all about. In a 2003 essay “The Neoconservative Persuasion,” Kristol, a Trotskyite in the late 1930s, drew a parallel between the United States today and the old Soviet Union: … large nations, whose identity is ideological, like the Soviet Union of yesteryear and the United States of today, inevitably have ideological interests in addition to more material concerns. Barring extraordinary events, the United States will always feel obliged to defend, if possible, a democratic nation under attack from nondemocratic forces, external or internal. That is why it was in our national interest to come to the defense of France and Britain in World War II. That is why we feel it is necessary to defend Israel today, when its survival is threatened. No complicated geopolitical calculations of national interest are necessary. This is ahistorical and Kristol cannot be ignorant of it. When the Allies declared war on Hitler on September 3, 1939, FDR did not “come to the defense of France and Britain.” He delivered a fireside chat that same night pledging there would be “no blackout of peace” in the United States. When France fell in May— June of 1940, pleading for planes, FDR sent words of encouragement. Not until eighteen months after the fall of France did we declare war on Hitler and not until after Hitler had declared war on us. America did not go to war to defend democracy. We went to war to exact retribution from a Japanese empire that had attacked us in our sleep at Pearl Harbor. Kristol is parroting liberal myths. In the Cold War we welcomed as allies Chiang Kai-shek, President Diem, Salazar, Franco, Somoza, the shah, Suharto, Sygman Rhee, Park Chung Hee and the Korean generals, Greek colonels, militarists in Brazil, Argentina, and Turkey, President Marcos, and General Pinochet— because these autocrats proved more reliable friends and allies than democratists like Nehru, Olaf Palme, Willy Brandt, and Pierre Trudeau. When it comes to wars that threaten us, hot or cold, ideology be damned, we Americans are at one with Nietzsche: “A state, it is the coldest of all cold monsters.” India is democratic and two hundred times the size of Israel. Yet in India’s wars with Pakistan, we tilted toward Pakistan. Why? Because the Pakistanis were allies and India had sided with Moscow. That India was democratic and Pakistan autocratic made no difference to us. Can Kristol seriously believe we have given Israel $ 100 billion and taken her side in every quarrel simply because she is democratic? Neoconservative tutoring of “the Republican Party and American conservatism” is done through publications they now control: the Weekly Standard, Commentary, The New Republic, National Review— and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, whose editor for three decades, the late Robert Bartley was a patron. Though few in number, neocons wield disproportionate influence through foundations they have captured, their magazines and columns, and by networking and attaching themselves to men of power.
Israeli Journalist: Mass Murder of Odessans by Ukrainian Nationalists Was Financed by Poroshenko The command "Set fire and go" was given to mercenaries who stood behind the tragic events in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa. Israeli journalist Anna Stefan presented these shocking details in her investigation:
Just because someone can see the other side of a debate does not make them a sympathiser. I can't believe this is a Christian website anymore.
Here is the post you posted, Carol, inclusive of the quote/reference/recommendation that came within it...and the response from another poster, (Richard), ↑ Richard, I think we need to agree to disagree also. Are you "Dr. Rendezvous" because you copied his theory verbatim, http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3817620/pg1?disclaimer=1? Dr. Rendezvous' signature is, "We sail into history, Comrades!" I went to that website you mentioned and was greeted by what can only be called softcore pornography ads. No thanks. Won't be going back. Looks like a tabloid-run website. No, I read this theory on Skripal in the comments over at Consortium News in an excellent article "An Alternative Explanation to the Skripal Mystery" https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/17/an-alternative-explantion-to-the-skripal-mystery/ Excellent article. Makes much more sense than the rubbish we are being fed by the UK.
This is the absolute crux of the matter for me, Dolours. And quote you if I may, "If the mainstream media can't be trusted to give unbiased reports on domestic matters, why would their reporting on the Middle East be trustworthy?" I think, with the greatest respect - and I genuinely mean this: WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT - to people like Carol, Earth to Angels, Crew and others who argue their viewpoints exceptionally well... however, If - "IF" - we cannot Trust the Westen media: who (not too long ago) - led the people in the West into several unjust wars - who attack Christianity overtly & covertly - support and push a leftist agenda - unequivocally push abortion and gay marriage upon us - glorify pornography - etc etc etc then surely, surely - we are to question them in their reporting of events in the Middle East? Is this not true? Can you concede this point? I ask this in complete humility..... However, let me unequivocally state that when I say this I am not being anti-American, pro-Palestinian, Anti-Jewish, pro Russian, or anything. I'm just trying to see what's what, to question why people are dying (and I'm particularly not being anti-American - I must stress that point, for I adore America, it's land, it's people...) It is the Western leaders that I am dubious about. Again, I ask: can any of the aforementioned concede that the people of the West must question our leaders current policies, and question also where these policies are taking the world..
I really do pray that all of this would come to an end; the division, the hate and the loss of life. I offer prayers for all of the lives recently lost in Afghanistan. US service member killed in Afghanistan just weeks before deployment was to end, officials say By Paulina Dedaj | Fox News May 1, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...-deployment-was-due-to-end-officials-say.html Spc. Gabriel D. Conde, 22, of Loveland, Colorado, was killed while supporting a counter-terrorism operation in Eastern Afghanistan on Monday. (U.S. Army) The 22-year-old U.S. service member killed Monday during a combat operation in eastern Afghanistan died just weeks before his deployment was scheduled to end, military officials said Tuesday. Spc. Gabriel D. Conde, 22, of Loveland, Colorado, was killed while supporting Operation Freedom's Sentinel and died as a result of “enemy small arms fire” in the Tagab District of Afghanistan on Monday, Department of Defense said in a statement Tuesday. Conde was assigned to 3rd Battalion, 509th Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, U.S. Army Alaska, Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska. Army Alaska Public Affairs spokesman Lt. Col. Martyn Crighton told the Loveland Reporter-Herald that Conde, who was deployed in September 2017, nearly had completed his nine-month deployment, and was set to redeploy to Alaska within the coming weeks. Another spokesperson, John Pennell, told the Anchorage Daily News that Conde was hit by rifle fire, but did not elaborate further. His death still is under investigation, according to the DOD statement. Conde joined the army in 2015, and his death marks the second U.S. combat death in Afghanistan this year, The Washington Post reported. He graduated from Berthoud High School, where he was a member of his school’s track team, The Herald reported. U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan was part of Pentagon’s counterterrorism mission by Dan Lamothe May 1 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nterterrorism-mission/?utm_term=.77efa73ed82e A U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan was hit by gunfire in a district east of Kabul while deployed as part of the Pentagon’s counterterrorism mission, U.S. military officials said Tuesday. Army Spec. Gabriel D. Conde, 22, was an airborne-qualified infantryman with the 25th Infantry Division’s 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, and was killed in Kapisa province’s Tagab district, the Pentagon announced. He had been in Afghanistan since September on his first deployment from Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska. Conde joined the Army in 2015 in Loveland, Colo., and was assigned to Army units in Alaska after going through basic training. His death marked the second U.S. combat death in Afghanistan this year. U.S. military officials would not clarify on Tuesday Conde’s exact role while deployed, but he was part of Operation Freedom’s Sentinel, in which the U.S. military targets terrorist groups in Afghanistan. The Pentagon primarily does that through the use of Special Operations troops, but it also uses conventional infantry soldiers such as Conde to bolster security. Conde was killed in an operation in which another U.S. service member was wounded and medically evacuated to Bagram Airfield north of Kabul for medical treatment in a military hospital. The death occurred during a bloody day in Afghanistan in which 31 people, including 10 journalists, were killed in twin bombings targeting civilians in Kabul, and a suicide bombing targeted a military convoy in Kandahar province, wounding eight Romanian service members and killing numerous children who were nearby, coalition military officials said.
Awe, poor thing...you need a "break" to withstand another's take on a topic? So, right off the bat you admit that Israel, in order to have anything of its own reality of the day permitted even a hearing in a so called world forum, it has to have a protection by at least one other nation. Otherwise it's totally sunk and without any kind of protection. Thank you for that...perhaps admitted to though only unwittingly. And, btw, everybody seems to be able to "get away" with launching air strikes....now moving on to drone type incursions....without much of the same universal condemnation to contend with other than from the one that received the damage and of course then running to that globalist UN for attention. So where now did your new tangent of "the Rapture crowd", (another focus group of yours personally?), come from that got thrown into the mix here? Then suddenly there was also included a particular rampage re: the Armenians and other stuff without any kind of historical understanding lending only to more emotional confusion and knee jerk responses. Without the acceptance of the entire nature of this wild and wooly region of the world, from its beginning, one's expectation of some kind of immediate solution, w/o force, is some utopian and therefore only imagined one world type of control coming and only possible through the auspices of a defective and sinful world as it exists in reality today. The two simply don't exist together. And in fact, the victims of the regional brutality from the truly godless, are now asking for even greater force in order to demolish evil forces once and for all....even if they have to die with it. It will play out with the various characters and their individual motivations....for good or for evil....hopefully in eventual stability through strength, not weakness, and for the eventual benefit of all....even if it results only in a forced stability as was developed in the former Yugoslavia until the strong man, Tito, died. But you must identify the types in control in that region wishing to develop nukes who are hell bent on total chaos and destruction for the purpose of setting the stage for bringing on to the world stage their own "vision" of their hoped for Mahdi type leader. Now, in Iran, the only real public connection to the world news has been abolished since they want no more uprisings from the youthful dissenters, after the facts were presented by Israel re: the lies of those leaders about their ongoing process of nuke development. Disastrous for the entire world. The entire world is already infected by such plans being allowed to infiltrate into formerly stable countries and which have shown, on small scales, what to look forward to in brutality, once that brazen takeover is complete. Sort of like those not wishing others to protect themselves via guns or whatever while they watch from afar surrounded by their own body guards. On the ground facts of just who is being targeted for extinction are more helpful than salesman condemnation of your personally chosen one to be singled out for some collective derision.
jackzokay: "If the mainstream media can't be trusted to give unbiased reports on domestic matters, why would their reporting on the Middle East be trustworthy?" And that media is now recognized for its globalist thrust of just how things are presented, both nationally and internationally, and what news facts are deliberately left out of today's reporting....and they are the promoters of such stances of borderless countries, anti-Israel basic ideologies, and worldwide permission of perversion, esp. in the arena of population control, in sync with the few monied and powerful high techy types who now control the means of communication, supplies, banking et al. IOW, they're the mouth pieces of the NWO elitists who all dearly wish the elimination of US/Israeli influence and desecration of all things spiritual and holy. So, you're right, don't trust their reporting of any of those areas that need to be seen through their points of view only so the remnant patriots and faithful ones in any part of the world can be eliminated as soon as possible....and they can live in their delusional "brave new world". Too bad they can't see beyond their noses that they are usually the first ones before the firing squads once their usefulness to their chosen dear leaders ends....can't afford their "feistiness" when the truth is revealed to them!
R67, I'm still waiting for CREDIBLE EVIDENCE for all those COUNTLESS Israeli attacks on Christians that you claimed have occurred! ... This is Request for Evidence #4 R67, Below is your 19 April Post in the "President Trump Thread: Give us the EVIDENCE (Request #5), R67 and kindly not in the Anti-Semite media that you seem so comfortable with! ... "Israel appears to be the one "hankering for a Mideast war." Tell, me Carol, when was the last time Iran bombed another soverign country? Contrast Iran with Israel (or rather, Netanyahu, as I hate to lump all Israelis in with the known liar and warmonger Bibi) who under Netanyahu have bombed the Christian-defending and Christian-supported Syrian regular Army too many times to count. Has Netanyahu ever ONCE bombed ISIS? Iranian miliitas as well as Hezbollah are in Syria and have killed more ISIS terrorists there than the West. Let that sink in for a second before you continue to repeat the Neocon warmongering with regard to Iran. Iran is not a threat to America's vital national security interests and anyone telling you otherwise is putting Israeli and Saudi foreign interests ahead of the vital national security interests of the United States." Oh!! and while you are at it! How about some EVIDENCE for your quote above that: "Iran is not a threat to America's vital national security interests and anyone telling you otherwise is putting Israeli and Saudi foreign interests ahead of the vital national interests of the United States." Please don't quote Pat Buchanan as he popped up on my Jew Hater Radar 20 years ago. GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
Richard67, Oh gosh, I forgot that you accused me of "Neocon warmongering" for stating(?) that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization or for stating(?) that Syria/Assad are too friendly with Iran. Now you have stated that I "predictably resort to fallacies". I would like to see the posts that backup these accusations. You have posted from a very questionable Russian site and I made the members of MOG aware of this but you accuse me of predictably resorting to fallacies because(?) I provided evidence that the author of one your posts, Philip Giraldi, has made many anti-Semitic and bigot like comments. In addition, you and a few other members including jackzokay are only encouraging the hate in the world and imho behave in a manner that is very un-Christian like and the excuse is that this is only a debate(?). You need to sharpen your debate skills if this really about trying to prevent a war. As good Catholics, we are always to set the best example that we possibly can but some members have forgotten this. In fact, they can't muster up the words to apologize but I forgive them anyway. So keep throwing the mud and I will do my best to rise above it all but in the end you are hurting yourselves and those around you. Peace - live it and spread it, if you really want it. *********** I forgot that you asked me the following, "Tell, me Carol, when was the last time Iran bombed another soverign country?" Since Iran funded/funds Hezbollah and you appear to support both Iran and Hezbollah #5300 . Here is a partial list of what you asked for: Alleged suicide and terror attacks Between 1982 and 1986, there were 36 suicide attacks in Lebanon directed against American, French and Israeli forces by 41 individuals, killing 659.[65] Hezbollah denies involvement in some of these attacks, though it has been accused of being involved or linked to some or all of these attacks:[196][197] The 1982–1983 Tyre headquarters bombings The April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing (by the Islamic Jihad Organization),[198] The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing (by the Islamic Jihad Organization), that killed 241 U.S. marines, 58 French paratroopers and 6 civilians at the US and French barracks in Beirut[199] The 1983 Kuwait bombings in collaboration with the Iraqi Dawa Party.[200] The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing, killing 24.[201] A spate of attacks on IDF troops and SLA militiamen in southern Lebanon.[65] Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 in 1985,[199] The Lebanon hostage crisis from 1982 to 1992.[202] Since 1990, terror acts and attempts of which Hezbollah has been blamed include the following bombings and attacks against civilians and diplomats: The 1992 Israeli Embassy attack in Buenos Aires, killing 29, in Argentina.[199] Hezbollah operatives boasted of involvement.[203] The 1994 AMIA bombing of a Jewish cultural centre, killing 85, in Argentina.[199] Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[203] The 1994 AC Flight 901 attack, killing 21, in Panama.[204] Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[203] The 1994 London Israeli Embassy attack, injuring 29, in the United Kingdom.[205] The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, killing 19 US servicemen.[206] In 2002, Singapore accused Hezbollah of recruiting Singaporeans in a failed 1990s plot to attack U.S. and Israeli ships in the Singapore Straits.[207] The 15 January 2008, bombing of a U.S. Embassy vehicle in Beirut.[208] In 2009, a Hezbollah plot in Egypt was uncovered, where Egyptian authorities arrested 49 men for planning attacks against Israeli and Egyptian targets in the Sinai Peninsula.[209] The 2012 Burgas bus bombing, killing 6, in Bulgaria. Hezbollah denied responsibility.[210] Training Shia insurgents against US troops during the Iraq War.[211] And there's more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah My stance on war remains the same - there are some bad actors on all sides and I am not in favor of any war but terrorism needs to be condemned, no question about it.
I was asking for clarification of his position. I agree with a some of what Richard posts and I disagree with some of his views. What's unchristian about that? We can agree to disagree.
It is really scary that there are some forum members here that immediately label anyone critical of Israel's foreign policy or our relationship with Israel as "Jew-haters" and "anti-semites" and "holocaust deniers." Is Orwellian, really.
I don't believe I accused you of being a Neocon warmonger, Carol. I think you are twisting what I said for cheap points. I've been accused by some members here of being a Jew-hater, anti-Semite and holocaust-denier for criticizing Israel's policies, and I don't take it personally although it is a fallacy (as well as a sign of a losing argument) to immediately play the anti-Semite card. You did resort to fallacies. Back in an earlier post you accused me of being another poster on a very questionable website; you ignored the substance of what was written. Then just recently you immediately attacked the origin of a website I linked to, rather than dealing with the substance. Your first instinct, Carol, is to "attack the messenger" when presented with information you don't like. That is a certainly a fallacious way of thinking.
I'll quote Pat Buchanan all day. He's a practicing Catholic and 100% America First. Now, to deal with your "5th request." Where in my post did I use the words "countless Israeli attacks on Christians"? I drew attention to the fact that Netanyahu has plenty of bombs for the Christian-defending, Catholic bishops of Syria-supported Bashar Assad who is fighting a life and death battle against terrorists in his country, but Netanyahu NEVER, EVER bombs the Christian-murdering, Catholic-martyring terrorists Assad is fighting. You do the math, Crewdog. As for Iran being a threat to the United States of America, it is incumbent upon you and those wanting America to fight Israel and Saudi Arabia's war against Iran to provide irrefutable evidence that Iran is a threat NOT to Israel and NOT Saudi Arabia but to the vital national security interests of the United States, before my son or daughter sheds their blood over there. Capisce?
