Sg, The following is what I stated in reference to your statement that Father Spadaro referred to the Pope as Bergoglio in a video that was posted: "Sg, Wow. Imho, this could be a sign that he does not respect the Pope. Maybe God is trying to warn the Pope to be suspicious of Father Spadaro. Good pick up." This is what you wrote in response: "Carol55, you are very charitable towards PF, still thinking that PF himself has good and holy intentions, and is quite unaware of the evil plans of those around him. Well, I don't think this is plausible. PF's actions and his own words at off-the-cuff interviews reveal his true intentions; and they are not those of a good shepherd but a wolf." I stated that you put words in my mouth, I suppose that you do not agree. You can not see how you extrapolated my simple statement into all that you posted above? Honestly, I think that you are playing coy maybe because I am concerned that you are leaning towards sedevacantism. I am truly concerned about you in this regard. I have no idea how many souls are being led to hell but people who are supporting sedevacantism are possibly leading souls to hell also. In November, you created a whole thread about this topic of sedevacantism, http://motheofgod.com/threads/pius-xii-himself-said-he-was-the-last-pope.11408/#post-191461 from this thread, SgCatholic stated: "What do you all think of the following: Pius XII himself said he was the "last Pope" http://divinefiat.blogspot.sg/2017/11/pius-xii-himself-said-he-was-last-pope.html" It doesn't make a difference how we come across certain information if we continue to proliferate it and defend it once we find it. Do you think that it is possible that Pope Pius XII was the last pope? If no one here cared about you no one would be trying to help you.
Wow. I am truly hurt by this response from you, Carol55. I have always thought of you as someone learned, highly intelligent, loving, cute and holy. I am truly sorry for having offended you. Honest to God, I had no wrong intentions towards you. I will stay away from posting for the rest of Lent. May our Lord Bless you and all here.
PS: This was the preamble from today's St Michael Novena from PrayMoreNovenas.com. It sounds like good advice for "These -Days: "Peace be with you! When war broke out in Heaven, St. Michael the Archangel led the army of God's angels to defeat the devil and his followers. Let's pray today that we may be inspired by this, and that we, too, will have the desire to humble ourselves before God and to serve Him in whatever way we are called." “Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.” Amen. GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
Sg, I am sorry also but first and foremost I am honest. I am not asking you to stay away, I was asking you to answer a couple of questions. Maybe you have answered them. I am truly sorry also.
.. Carol is right, we do care about you Sg, and do not wish to be divided from one another especially at Lent.
Catholic World News Cardinal Müller rejects idea of ‘paradigm shift’ in Catholic doctrine February 20, 2018 Cardinal Gerhard Müller rejects the notion of a “paradigm shift” in Church teaching, in an essay for First Things. In an unusual public disagreement among prominent cardinals, the former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith takes issue with the use of a term (“paradigm shift”) that was used by the Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, with reference to Amoris Laetitia. Cardinal Müller says that term “seems to be a relapse into a modernist and subjectivist way of interpreting the Catholic faith.” In his First Things essay the German cardinal reflects on Cardinal Newman’s teaching regarding the development of Catholic doctrine. He explains that the organic development of Church teaching precludes a dramatic change. A “paradigm shift” in Church teaching suggests a break from fidelity to the sources of apostolic teaching, such as occurred with the Protestant Reformation, he writes. Thus he argues against those who interpret Amoris Laetitia to “advance positions contrary to the constant teaching of the Catholic Church, by effectively denying that adultery is always a grave objective sin…” Cardinal Müller explains his insistence on the continuity of Church teaching: When “pastoral change” becomes a term by which some express their agenda to sweep aside the Church’s teaching as if doctrine were an obstacle to pastoral care, then speaking up in opposition is a duty of conscience. https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=35598
I like that! I too have had a hard time praying for his intentions as I receive a Morning Offering email. As I wrestle with these things...heightened confusion, praying for that increasingly now-the world & my Church, I prayer more so now for the Pope himself and his discernment. When I have read Our Mother's encouraging messages from various approved as well as watched "sources" one recurring element I am suddenly seeing more clearly in her urging to pray, Confession, Eucharist/Mass, repent, conversion, is the stated True Magiterium. In the last I'd say 24 hrs, it has occurred to me, the True Magisterium is mentioned in lue of the Pope. While he is the head of our beloved Church, that suddenly (perhaps finally) strikes me. Of course the idea of countering or flatly disagreeing with any Pope is wrenching but many of us know our history. Not all Popes have been good ones. Popes are first human. We know there is confusion and things will only get worse, but this... Another reason this gives me pause are the non-Catholic (non-denomination) friends I have. So far none of them have asked me about him or made any comment. Early on I was asked what I thought of him. Chances are they no longer pay attention as we do. I know soon enough these questions will arise. I apologize if I am inadvertently bringing something old up or reopening anything best left alone. I have not read through this entire thread. Sorry, I don't have that kind of time! Too much reading abounds on the forum....That alone could be a full-time job. LOL
Think about where the Masons have infiltrated...that includes places you don't want to imagine. With the Warning, our Pope will see his errors. In time the Angel of Peace will arrive on the scene to lead the Church (remnant Church?) Pray breathe and try not to panic (good reminder).
Unfortunately, none of us, including our pope, has any guarantee that we will make it to the Warning. God's mercy will be upon those who do, but sadly most will still reject his truth for the lies of the world and will follow the False Prophet and the Antichrist till the 3 day's of darkness and then the Era of Peace comes.
The (underground) Bishop Jin Lugang: we are happy with the Pope-China dialogue Interview with the Prelate of Nanyang on the rumors of a possible agreement between Beijing and the Holy See, “The sufferings of the past are not erased, they are part of our life with Christ. But I’m not thinking about those difficult times now” Jin Lugang Pubblicato il 23/02/2018 GIANNI VALENTE VATICAN CITY “I have sent a message to the Pope, to tell him that I, my entire diocesan community, all priests and nuns are happy that he is in dialogue with China. We support the Holy See in this work, and we will follow everything he says to the Church in China”. Pietro Jin Lugang’s voice is peaceful and resolute. He walks knowing well where he is going. As “underground” bishop of Nangyang, he also endured with the patience of faith, forced expulsions and indoctrination sessions by Chinese politicians, who do not recognize his episcopal office. And now, he holds that same gaze of faith before the insistent voices that say an agreement between Beijing and the Holy See on the nominations of Chinese bishops is possible. “All we have endured” Bishop Jin points out, “we have endured in order not to hide our communion with the Pope. And now, if there were an agreement between the Pope and the government, why would we not be happy about it? Why would we not follow him? This means that the government recognizes the Pope. It means we can move forward in full union with him. And we are most definitely not thinking of doing otherwise. That’s all. Simple and clear. Like a beautiful sunny day. Bishop Pietro Jin, your land saw the work of the PIME missionaries in their glorious season. In the second half of the nineteenth century, they were the ones who gave life to the Apostolic Vicariate, the first in Henan, in the center of China. I come from a Catholic family and I was ordained a priest in 1992, when the bishop of Nanyang was my relative Giuseppe Jin Dechen, who was the first Chinese bishop of the diocese. Now the diocese has a community of about 20,000 faithful, with about 50 nuns and 23 priests. Recent events in your diocese seem to be a symbol of how intricate the situation of the Catholic Church in China is. In 1995, Bishop Joseph Zhu Baoyu, born in 1921, was ordained bishop for Nanyang. Before - between the 1960s and 1980s - he had spent many years in prison and in re-education camps. He was an “underground” bishop, ordained with the Pope’s approval but outside government control. Then, in 2007, in view of his succession, I was ordained coadjutor bishop, always in an “underground” way. In 2010, the Holy See accepted Bishop Zhu’s resignation, and I became the ordinary of the diocese. But shortly afterwards the local political apparatus decided to recognize Zhu as “official” bishop, and on 30 June they had him installed in the cathedral as bishop recognized by the government. Thus, the diocese also became “official”. Now we are two bishops, both ordained with the Pope’s approval, but the government officially recognizes as bishop only Zhu, who is now 97 years old. How are your relationships? We are two bishops living in communion in the same city. Joseph Zhu is the emeritus bishop, and I am the ordinary bishop. He, who is recognized by the government, resides in the cathedral. I live in the parish of my town. But I was able to make a pastoral visit to all the other parishes. And sometimes I also celebrate mass in the cathedral. We have always been both faithful to the Pope and to the Holy See. And in recent years, since dialogue has been resumed, things have also improved with the government, which has not asked us for anything that goes against the Catholic faith. I just have to inform the authorities when I leave Nanyang. But in the past, you too have suffered pressure, forced expulsion periods from the diocese and indoctrination sessions. Those of the government told me not to make any celebrations for taking possession of the diocese. I have always said that I could give up public celebrations, but always remained the bishop of Nanyang. In 2012, they took me to a hotel on Easter days, so I couldn’t celebrate the liturgies of the Easter triduum. But that was a period of tension between China and the Vatican. If the Holy See and the Chinese government find an agreement, don’t you feel as those efforts and sufferings are being now ignored, betrayed? We only wanted to follow Jesus, in union with the Pope and with the whole Catholic Church. This can involve fatigue and suffering. It is part of our life according to the Gospel. If we live these sufferance in the company of Jesus, united with Jesus, it is like taking part to His sufferings. And Jesus does not let our sufferings fall into emptiness. He recognizes them, embraces them and makes them precious. So we do not need any other recognition, no other prize. We do not want to reproach anyone when we see that Jesus has taken up our sufferings. So, how do you see news of possible developments in the dialogue between the Holy See and the Chinese government? If the government now speaks with the Pope, it means it recognizes the Pope. This is good news that makes us happy. The struggles and difficulties of the past are not erased, they are part of our life with Christ. But I don’t think about the past, about those difficult times now. If the government speaks with the Pope, it recognizes the Pope, and we will be able to express our full communion with the Pope. Yet there are those who are exerting pressures to convince the Pope not to continue dialogue with China. They also claim that an agreement with China would be a betrayal and a “sell-out” of your suffering. But we endured all the difficulties so as not to hide our communion with the Pope. And now, if there is an understanding between the Pope and the government, how can we not be happy about it? How can we not follow him? It means that we can move forward in full union with the Pope. And we are most certainly not thinking of doing otherwise. If the Pope makes an agreement with the government, we will follow him, continuing with him along the same road we have had to go through, amid suffering and fatigue. For to follow Jesus, we have accepted to suffer, and for the same reason we are now happy, because certain problems can be solved and we can look further ahead. But now, in concrete terms, how are things going in your diocese? Our Priests are united, I want things to be decided in consultation with all of them. We all work for the unity of the Church, and I feel that Pope Francis is leading us to live this unity. We have also opened a shelter for the disabled and two homes for the elderly. But are you not concerned at all about the negotiations between the Chinese Government and the Holy See? No suggestions? Of course, I ask to always use prudence in this process. But the dialogue that has begun in recent years has already produced some benefits for us. The government asks us only to register. The priests have all been registered by the government. And if the Holy See tells me that I can do so, in order to help the pastoral work, I will also register myself. I believe that in all this, in relations with the government and political authorities, we must all always follow what Jesus said, “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s”. http://www.lastampa.it/2018/02/23/v...a-dialogue-NIeHvVgfnQZrSYZLdMglEM/pagina.html
I would like to think that I think like Raymond Arroyo. He used the very same interview that I used to defend EWTN against Stephen Walford's accusations a couple of months ago. The entire interview is in my post above from 1/4/2018 post #4061. This is a great interview, if you choose to watch the "newest version" from Padraig's post above, you will find Cardinal Mueller ends with the following, "Only the word of God can unify the Church and save everybody." at the 17:30 mark, beautiful. There are so many juicy nuggets in this interview, it is well worth watching it multiple times. Here is the entire interview again for ease of use,
I think virtually all the active forum members who discuss Pope Francis feel the same way, Carol. But as I keep pointing out, those who supported Pope Francis have largely been removed or silenced. I agree wholeheartedly! I have previously posted the interview on the forum at least twice already!
David, I am not certain that you understand what Cardinal Mueller is stating in the interview. He is supporting the word of God not some convoluted interpretation of the word of God in which, as he states, people think that 2+4=5 or as we state 2 + 2 does not equal 5. Why do you think he is no longer head of the CDF?
Well, if the IMF is sideing with this pope, it speaks volumes...volumes. This is probably the closest one can get in this world to a written endorsement by Lucifer.
So, now, Pope Francis is the victim. Ah, come off it. He is a totalalitarian who bulverises, insults and fires those who oppose him, who refuses to answer straightforward questions and who hurls insult and invective at those who might oppose him rather than address the principles of his opponents' arguments. What sort of a victim deigns to place himself above Jesus Christ (as he does when he legalises adultery with AL)?
