The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Anyone else notice how swiftly these churchmen promulgating totally false antiCatholic ideas are moving? Running as fast as they can. Pulling down one sacred teaching and practice after another. I think they know their time is short. They are going for scorched earth. The ship is heaving and tossing And we are all seasick. Grab a hold of the most unmovable thing on the ship and keep your eyes on the horizon. Mother Mary is the most unmovable thing as the Rock is her Son. “...no storm can shake my inmost calm while to that Rock I’m clinging/ since Christ is lord of heaven and earth how can I keep from singing?”.
    Just remember—if they don’t repent—and soon—this doesn’t end well for them. I just feel “Aslan is on the move”. The snow is starting to melt and the ice is cracking. To continue use the analogy the white witch’s time is very short.
     
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  2. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Josephite,

    I love this post! Thank you!!!

    You are absolutely correct imho. God is merciful to those who have experienced an "awakening of the soul", as you have stated.

    If we don't recognize our sin, repent and turn away from our sin then we cannot expect God's mercy.

    To believe anything other than this would be "condoning sin", as you have also stated.

    It is not false mercy, it is "condoning sin". Plain and simple.

    Beautiful reflection!

    Something that we should be reflecting on everyday, multiple times a day, Jesus I trust in you!!!
     
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  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

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    He is very good!
     
  4. ComeSoon!

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  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    ComeSoon!,

    It is interesting that a synod is a type of council and possibly for all of these years whoever it is that is promoting that NovusOrdoWatch website has believed the chair of Saint Peter has been vacant since Pope Pius XII due to them believing that the council referred to in the third secret was Vatican II.

    Iow assuming that they do in fact have the text to the third secret, the council referred to may be the 2014/2015 Synod on the Family. In this case, what we are witnessing now could in fact be part of the third secret but yet the promoters of the site NovusOrdoWatch have been in schism with the Church for over 50 years. I suppose it is more proof that we shouldn't assume things but we should wait and be patient and do what Our Lady told us to do.
     
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  6. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    The thing is that Our Lady gave instructions for the secret to be released no later than 1960. Doesn't fit in with the 2014/2015 synod. Fits in perfectly with Vatican II. And what happened following it.
     
  7. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    In Sister Lucy's famous 1957 interview she stated that the Third Secret was to be revealed in 1960 because it would become more clear by then what it was in reference to.

    Now what could possibly have happened between 1957 and 1960 that would make the Third Secret more clear?

    The only major thing that happened in the Church was the announcement of Vatican II in 1959.
     
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  8. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I don't know if this has been posted on the forum yet or not, but here is a petition we can sign for anyone would like to try to urge the Vatican to rethink it's recent political agreement with the Chinese government.

    http://www.freecatholicsinchina.org/
     
  9. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    That's why I have wanted to find the complete secret unassociated with any biased opinion. While I'm not convinced I found that unbiased source, perhaps perhaps I found the full unabridged version??
     
  10. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    I have to say, this makes sense.
     
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  11. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    https://onepeterfive.com/every-man-himself/

    Every Man for Himself
    Raymond Kowalski February 15, 2018 0 Comments
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    I recently saw the movie Darkest Hour. It is the story of Winston Churchill’s first days as Britain’s prime minister, just nine months into the Second World War.

    It is late May, 1940, and the Nazis have pushed into France, where the British, French, and Belgian forces have been trapped against the English Channel at Dunkirk. Churchill orders a garrison of British troops at a small nearby fort to fight a delaying action in order to allow as much time as possible for an evacuation of the hundreds of thousands of allied soldiers from the beach. When they have done all they could, the garrison is given the command “every man for himself,” freeing the soldiers from the necessity of obeying orders and allowing each man to survive as best as he can.

    That’s where I am with my beloved Catholic Church. At age 72, I am in that small garrison that knows that the end is near. For us, there is no time to see how the mess that now engulfs the Catholic Church turns out. For Churchill and Great Britain, it all turned out well…five years later. But the soldiers in the sacrificial garrison never saw a sunrise in June. There was no help coming for them from Mother England.

    I think of myself and people like me as “Bishop Sheen Catholics.” Over time, we have become the outpost. We know our faith. We know its doctrines, its dogmas, its morality, and its requirements. We are loyal. We are good soldiers. We follow orders. But we know when something is amiss. We know a contradiction when we see one. We hear the general giving ruinous orders and his lieutenants responding, “As you were.” Yet the general is not deterred.

    For me, it started with Pope Francis’s “who am I to judge?” remark in 2013. I remember thinking, Wait a minute. When Christ created His first bishops and gave them the power to forgive sins, didn’t He say, “whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained?” Doesn’t this imply, or even require, making a judgment? How can a pope be asking such a question?

    Since then, there have been so many actions, pronouncements, appointments, dismissals, attacks, defenses, exposés, and ambiguities that the Bishop Sheen Catholics have reached what Steve Skojec calls “outrage fatigue.” Each new affront to our faith sets off waves of profound commentary by extraordinarily well educated and experienced experts. They give us careful analysis, all based on well grounded scholarship, arguments, and opinions. It is exhausting to keep up.

    As an attorney, I persuade and am persuaded by evidence, logic, and argument. But it was two powerful and scandalous images from this papacy that pushed me to my Dunkirk. The first was the postage stamp that the Vatican issued on October 31, 2017 to commemorate the 500th anniversary of the riforma protestante.

    This stamp depicts the Crucifixion. At the foot of the cross is Martin Luther, holding a Bible, and his theologian friend, Philipp Melanchthon, holding the Augsburg Confession. The image is a copy of the scene found on the tympanum above the doors of All Saints Lutheran Church in Wittenberg, Germany.

    That the Vatican should even wish to commemorate this event raises questions enough, but to replace the traditional figures of the Blessed Mother and St. John at the foot of the cross is outrageous. The unspoken message could not have been clearer.

    The second image was the 2017 Nativity scene erected by the Vatican in St. Peter’s Square. Augmenting and overwhelming the figures of the Holy Family were figures that ostensibly represented the seven corporal works of mercy. Among those figures, one stood out: a robust young man with hipster stubble who had obviously spent considerable time in the weight room. He represented “clothing the naked.” But this figure was no pitiable wretch. Quite clearly, he wanted to be naked, and he darn near was.

    Even if you didn’t know the actual sodomitical connections within this travesty, you knew in your gut that Christmas had been hijacked with the Vatican’s approval. The unspoken message could not have been more clear.

    So go ahead, you theologians, canon lawyers, and bloggers: keep up the commentary. But this Bishop Sheen Catholic does not have the time to wait for a resolution of the current mess, for consensus as to how the faithful should respond, or for help from Holy Mother Church that will not come in my lifetime. For us, it’s every man for himself.

    * * *

    I used to have a condescending view of Protestants, with their 50,000 different denominations and their personally tailored relationship with God. We Catholics, on the other hand, had the “fullness of truth,” a single, coherent theology, and an unerring pope. To be truly Catholic, it was necessary to accept all of it without reservation.

    Comes now this papacy, bringing with it a Catholicism that Fulton Sheen would not recognize. If I reject this new Catholicism and cling to what I know to be the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ, am I no better than one of those Protestants, who also reject Catholicism and adhere to a belief system more to their liking?

    Of course I pray for the pope. But I cannot bring myself to pray for this pope’s intentions. Not that I know the man’s mind. But I have seen enough of the fruits of this tree to be wary of it. No more plenary indulgences for me, I guess.

    Someday in the future, people will look back at the reign of Francis and understand what was going on. For those of us living in the here and now, however, especially those of us nearing the end of the journey, we must decide how to conduct ourselves based on the best available information. We must process this information using our own education; experience; and, yes, conscience, and act accordingly.

    How do we continue to follow the general’s orders?

    Adjutórium nostrum in nómine Dómini.
     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    SgCatholic,

    And the thing is, God has given us free will. No other explanation is required in my opinion, we all need to decide for ourselves.
    We can remain with the Church or we can leave.

    Although Bishop Athanasius Schneider is outspoken about his preference for the Latin Mass, he is not leaving the Church. He is staying and fighting but he has stated, "It is not only a risk of schism but a certain type of schism already exists in the Church." Imho this bishop is voicing his concern over a possible schism, he is not suggesting that we participate in a schism, just the opposite. The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen is another example of a clergyman who stayed with the Church after Second Vatican Council and of course, the list goes on and on.

    We will never know exactly why Our Lady suggested that the Third Secret be revealed in 1960 nor do we have confirmation of what the written contents of the Third Secret of Fatima are. So we can conjecture until the cows come home but we do have the following from Sister Lucia which fits perfectly with the 2014/1015 Synod on the Family,

    "the final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Don’t be afraid," she added, "because anyone who operates for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be contended and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue." And then she concluded: "however, Our Lady has already crushed its head."​

    Frankly, I am disgusted by websites like NovusOrdosWatch. They abound on the internet and they promote schism and the disintegration of the Church. I am not blaming ComeSoon! for posting a link to this website because there was a time when I was naïve about these things. Sometimes things come up on a search and I did not investigate the whole website for instance but once one takes a look at what they are promoting on this particular website it is easy to see that their aim is division.

    Here is a brand new interview from Bishop Athanasius Schneider which is very good, imho.



    ComeSoon!, I think we all want that but I don't think that it exists right now.

    It fits nicely I suppose but there is no explanation of the details due to free will.
     
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  13. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    I further recommend continuing to research. This is by far, not the end of my own research. I'm not convinced this is the full secret, but felt compelled to share what I found.

    No doubt this is where the focus should be in terms of Fatima. I am certainly not trying to cause more problems, far from it!!
    www.vatican.va/roman.../rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.htm
     
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  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Carol, you said it!
    The less drama, the better.
    Great post
    Curiosity can be sinful,too
    Msgr Charles Pope wrote an article about it on his blog
    I can’t post the link right now
    On cell phone
    People, let’s think before we post something


     
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  15. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    They are running fast but there are still some stumbling blocks like this Cardinal. As pope emeritus said, it’s all in Christ’s hands right now, trust and pray much, but trust...

    Cardinal Müller: there can be no ‘paradigm shifts’ in the Church
    by Staff Reporter

    posted Tuesday, 20 Feb 2018
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    Cardinal Gerhard Müller (Getty Images)
    Talk of paradigm shifts 'seems to be a relapse into a modernist and subjectivist way of interpreting the Catholic faith', he said

    The Catholic Church cannot have “paradigm shifts” in the interpretation of the deposit of its faith, Cardinal Gerhard Müller has said.

    The former Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith wrote that although Church doctrine does develop, it can only do so when it is grounded on what has come before.

    “Development of doctrine… refers to the process by which the Church, in her consciousness of the faith, comes to an ever deeper conceptual and intellectual understanding of God’s self-revelation,” the cardinal wrote in First Things.

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...here-can-be-no-paradigm-shifts-in-the-church/
     
  16. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    No doubt this is where the focus should be in terms of Fatima. I am certainly not trying to cause more problems, far from it!!
    www.vatican.va/roman.../rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.htm
    To be fair, I am only seeking right discernment, the truth. Less drama sounds great but we are not living in a drama free time, nor is our future free of drama. Our peace comes from the Magisterium, prayer, Christ, Mass, etc.
     
  17. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Sunnyveil, I watched these videos also part 9 both parts the first and the second but I do not recall what you have stated here. Can you provide the exact video name and minute mark where the priest states this? This is very serious for Father Wolfe if it is in fact true. Thank you.
     
  18. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    Good and reliable information on what Sister Lucia said in her later years can be found on these two web pages:


    http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/2005/06/sister-lucia-and-the-third-day-of-the-week-of-fatima/

    http://www.piercedhearts.org/hearts_jesus_mary/apparitions/fatima/fatima_lucia_biography.html

     
  19. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I too was wondering about this. I watched or listened to this video several times while puttering about in my shop and can not remember hearing this either. I have a hard time believing it with his stance on the SSPX etc.
     
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  20. ComeSoon!

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