Cardinal Muller merely reiterated Church teaching. Anything contrary to what he said is not from God even if it comes from an angel or a pope.
No, it is Pope Francis who is making that error. Anyone can recite Church teaching, simply because it is true.
No, David, Cardinal Muller has merely stated what the Church has said for 2,000 years which is that any new teaching cannot contradict what the Church has always held to be true. You wouldn't have contradicted that statement until now, and all the gossip you are spreading about people in the Order of Malta won't gloss over that. It doesn't matter to me whether Cardinal Muller is a nice, kind, jolly man or a strict, aloof authoritarian. He's a sinner like the rest of us and, like the rest of us, his sins are a matter for him and God. What matters to me is that he has a sacred duty to defend the Deposit of Faith and that's what he has done. Pope Francis also has that sacred duty but Pope Francis chooses to remain silent in the matter of conflicting interpretations of his Apostolic Exhortation. The Cardinal has honoured his sacred duty. The Pope has not.
http://marymagdalen.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/a-fearful-email-from-malta.html A fearful email from Malta I had this email from a friend in Malta who is concerned about the high handed way in which Archbishop Scicluna is dealing with his clergy over Amoris Laetitia, I will be grateful if others could verify or otherwise its details. It is very sad that faithful priests are mocked by their bishop, who despite his CDF credentials and the apparent rebuke from Cardinal Mueller has not yet retracted his singular interpretation of the Pope. Several unconnected people have told me similar things by telephone or email. If any Maltese priests wish to comment anonymously, I will happily withhold there names before publication they can either comment in the combox or contact me here. I can understand why many of you might be somewhat afraid. On Sunday this article appeared in The Sunday Times of Malta: in which Archbishop Scicluna says that he has held 'frank discussions' with his priests regarding the Maltese Criteria on Amoris Laetitia chapter 8. This is did not happen. Apparently all parish priests of Malta last Wednesday, 1st February were summoned to a meeting with Archbishop Charles Scicluna held a scheduled meeting last Wednesday, 1 February 2017. They were to attend by SMS text sent from the President of the College of Parish Priests. It was made known, also but not in writing, that the Abp will talk about the Criteria, but no one will be allowed to say anything in return. He started off by saying that he was not he was not planning suspend any of his clergy (many have read this as a subtle dig at Bishop Mario Grech, the Bishop of Gozo, who was reported to have threatened suspension to one of his priests because he found objection to the Criteria - See this link I know for a FACT that he did threaten to suspend this priest. Mario Grech is known for his bullying tactics: See here Several people have told me this During the meeting, Abp Scicluna repeatedly stressed that there there is only one interpretation of AL - the interpretation given by the Pope himself to the bishops of Argentina. The Abp also said that if this is the interpretation offered by the Pope himself, who are we to say otherwise. He kept repeating the mantra he had said in a homily on the 25th January 2017 see here The mantra is this: We have one Pope, the present pope - Francis and reminded his parish priest that this principle is is the most traditional of principles: we follow whatever the Pope says. He went on to say that if the next Pope says something else, we will then follow what he says. We have one choice fundamentally; we are either Catholics with the Pope or we are not. The Archbishop quoted Saint George Preca, the Maltese saint, who said: Ego sum cum Papa semper. After the Archbishop spoke, the parish priests were not encouraged to voice their concerns. Scicluna also took pleasure in attacking one of the parish priests who had been interviewed anonymously : see this link Many parish priests were disgusted at how Scicluna, while brandishing a copy of the newspaper, openly mocked the parish priest for speaking to the journalists about his concerns. Many said after that if this is how he deals with dissent, then they will not speak to him, and prefer to follow their own conscience in the matter. It is worth and important to point out, that at that very morning, the interview with Cdl Mueller denouncing the rogue interpretation of Chapter 8 of AL, was published. Scicluna, while mockingly acknowledging its existence, he chose to ignore it completely even though Mueller clearly corrected the Maltese Criteria. This comes from multiple sources.In the meantime, one of Abp Scicluna's attack dogs, Father Joe Inguanez, who is one of a group of liberal clerics who have plagued the local Church for decades, has written an article in the local press stating that Mueller's comments in no way correct the Maltese Criteria. See this link:We are quite desperate here in Malta.
Matthew 19:8-9 "And the Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?" He answered, "Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one'? So they are no longer two it one. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder." They said to him, "Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" He said to them, "For your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries a divorced woman, commits adultery." 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 "To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband)- and that the husband should not divorce his wife." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God." Hebrews 13:4 "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and the adulterous." 1 Corinthians 11:23-31 "For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in rememberance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgement upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. But if we judge ourselves truly, we should not be judged." 1 John 1:6-9 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in is. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." John 8:10-11 "Jesus looked up and said to her, 'Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?' She said, 'No one, Lord.' And Jesus said, 'Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again.'" Galatians 1:6-12 "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel - not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach [to you] a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say to you again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. Am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still pleasing men, I should not be a servant of Christ. For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not man's gospel. For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
And you seriously think, ahh, that's nicely wrapped up then..... You can keep producing all the 'arguments' you like but you are in error. You will have some 'likes' on this forum and you might even get a handful of bishops eventually agreeing with you but the truth will not go away. Your teaching is in error and the Holy Father is leading us in truth to a proper understanding of God's love for us.
At least we are not alone -- 600 clergy are also looking for guidance and clarification amidst the confusion created by AL. http://catholicclergy.net/ Joint Statement on Amoris Laetitia As members of the International Confraternities of Catholic Clergy, we believe there would be great value in an authoritative interpretation of the apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia in line with the constant teaching and practice of the Church. This statement comes in light of continuing widespread divergence of understanding and growing divisions in practice. A clarification is clearly needed to correct the misuse of the Apostolic Exhortation to undermine sacred Tradition. We, therefore, thank the four eminent Cardinals who have recently submitted their dubia to the Holy See, requesting such clarification. The Confraternities recognize that this action has been taken out of love for the Church and concern for the salvation of souls. As the Cardinals themselves have made clear, this step has been taken with deep respect for our Holy Father, Pope Francis, and should not in any way be used to foster divisions in the Church. The grave danger to the unity of the Church due to increasing moral relativism must be honestly faced and clearly remedied. As pastors of souls, we are well aware of the many challenges facing the men and women of today. We strive to help our people, often living in complex situations, to hear the call of Christ and his Gospel. This task is made easier when the Church expounds her teaching boldly and clearly. It is also essential that the Church’s discipline must always follow her dogmatic teaching. In particular, since at the present time there is much confusion, it is necessary to make clear that Holy Communion cannot be given to someone choosing to live in a sexual relationship with a person other than their validly espoused husband or wife. Those who find themselves in this situation are of course deserving of pastoral support and must be helped to play as full a part in the life of the Church as their circumstances allow. In connection with this, it is important to state that conscience is not a law unto itself replacing the holy law of God with private judgement, but rather an echo of the voice of the Creator. The dignity of conscience must be assisted to overcome all ignorance and protected from becoming ‘practically sightless as a result of habitual sin’ (Gaudium et Spes, 16) Requesting such a clarification, which reiterates the perennial teaching of the Church, is an act of filial love by faithful sons of the Church who turn to our Supreme Shepherd seeking his paternal guidance. It is our desire that this elucidation will enable us and other Catholic priests and deacons to carry out our ministry in ways that are faithful and effective. We hope that this request for clarification may be an occasion for the Holy Father to feed and tend the flock entrusted to him by the Lord and to support us, the clergy, in doing the same. February 2nd, 2017: Feast of the Presentation of Our Lord
"Scripture is crystal clear here with no wiggle room." The day will come when you can argue that with Jesus Christ.
And I long for that day, DeGaulle, I long for it. But there will be no arguments then. O God, you are my God; earnestly I seek you; my soul thirsts for you; my flesh faints for you, as in a dry and weary land where there is no water. So I have looked upon you in the sanctuary, beholding your power and glory. Because your steadfast love is better than life, my lips will praise you. So I will bless you as long as I live; in your name I will lift up my hands. Psalm 63
I don't know what - if anything - to make of this: http://www.lepantoinstitute.org/knights-of-malta/pope-francis-freemasonry-knights-malta/ Pope Francis, Freemasonry, and the Knights of Malta 2017-02-07 by Michael Hichborn The Mysterious recent events surrounding the Sovereign Military Order of Malta took a strange and unexpected twist in the beginning of January when, in the middle of a bitter feud over the suspension of one of its members, Pope Francis allegedly tossed mention of Freemasons in the mix. As strange as it may seem, there appears to be some historical context that might shed some light on the situation. According to a January 7 article in the National Catholic Register, written by the stalwart Edward Pentin, on November 10, Cardinal Burke met with Pope Francis, who “made it clear to Cardinal Burke that he wanted Freemasonry ‘cleaned out’ from the order, and he demanded appropriate action.” In all news reports on the matter, this is THE primary source for any mention of Freemasonry with regard to the Sovereign Order of Malta. It was a very strange, and seemingly out of place comment. However, there is some historical significance to consider, and remember … we are examining Freemasonry in this context only because Pope Francis is said to have mentioned it. A little over 700 years ago, there was a rather tense rivalry between the Knights Templar and the Knights Hospitaller (currently known as the Knights of Malta). Some accounts of the rivalry suggest that the two knightly orders even came to blows while stationed together in Palestine. In the very early 1300’s, King Philip IV of France found himself steeped in debt to the Knights Templar. At that time, the Templars reportedly had assumed a considerable amount of wealth and were in position to make financial loans through their holdings. Because King Philip owed the Templars large amounts of money and couldn’t pay, he began to circulate rumors, unjustly and falsely accusing them of all sorts of abominations, such as heresy and sodomy. In 1312, under pressure from King Philip, Pope Clement V issued the Papal Bull Vox in Excelso, formally dissolving the Knights Templar. Shortly thereafter, he issued the Bull Ad providam, which transferred the majority of the Templar’s assets over to the Knights Hospitaller. This brief historical sketch sets the stage for Freemasonry’s entrance on the scene. The Freemasons claim (illegitimately) the Knights Templar as part of their lineage. The truth is, after the Knights Templar were dissolved, the Order ceased to exist. It was finished. There was no continuation of the Order after Clement V dissolved it. Be that as it may, the Freemasons, nonetheless, claim the Knights Templar as their own. Regardless of whether or not the Templars continued to exist in secret, later to come back in the form of Freemasonry is immaterial. What is important to understand here is that because the Freemasons claim the Templars as part of their lineage, they have also adopted the legendary, emotional baggage associated with the betrayal of the Order. 33rd degree Freemason Albert Mackey wrote the “Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and Its Kindred Sciences” in 1873. In his entry on the Knights of Malta, Mackey wrote: “The rival brotherhood of the Templars was abolished by a pope and a King of France, and what of its revenues and possessions was saved from the spoilation of its enemies was transferred to the Hospitalers. There had always existed a bitter rivalry between the two Orders (Templars and Hospitalers), marked by unhappy contentions, which on some occasions, while both were in Palestine, amounted to actual strife. Toward the Knights of St. John the Templars had never felt nor expressed a very kindly feeling; and now this acceptance of an unjust appropriation of their goods in the hour of their disaster, keenly added to the sentiment of ill will, and the unhappy children of De Molay, as they passed away from the theater of knighthood, left behind them the bitterest imprecations on the disciples of the Hospital.” As can be seen in this one passage, the Freemasons, through the legend of its association with the Knights Templar, holds the Knights of Malta in contempt. This feeling of bitterness and anger is even agitated and ritualized in one of the higher degrees of Freemasonry. The 30th degree of Freemasonry is called the degree of the Knights Kadosh, which translates from Hebrew to mean “holy” or “consecrated.” This degree is directly assocated with the Knights Templar, so the Mason who enters into the 30th degree is indeed considered by the secret society to be a Knight Templar. Mackey explains in the Masonic Encyclopedia that “The Kadoshes, as representatives of the Templars, adopt the Beauseant as their standard.” The Beauseant is the black-and-white banner of the Knights Templar. We must be clear here, we are ONLY bringing up Freemasonry and their beliefs because Pope Francis allegedly did, and we are attempting to make sense of what this could mean. In no way are we establishing the existence of a Masonic conspiracy with regard to recent events surrounding the Knights of Malta, but because it was brought up, it must be examined as a piece of the overall puzzle as it relates to the case at hand. The entire Masonic initiation rite for the Knight Kadosh is a rite of vengeance for the dissolution of the Knights Templar and the death of the Grand Master, even to the point of stabbing a skull wearing a papal tiara, representing Pope Clement V, and a skull wearing a crown, representing King Philip. According to the Complete Ritual of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Grand Master explains the mysteries of the skulls to the candidate. Here’s what he says: “In almost all of the rituals of this degree, nothing but vengeance is spoken of. But this is an allegory without meaning, for this degree contains all the philosophy of our sublime institution, which is nothing more nothing less, than the actual result of our Three Puissant Grand Master’s philosophy, and philosophy discountenances vengeance. Virtue alone and good examples, patience in energy in opposing evil can ensure triumphs. In this, no more than in the preceding degrees, have we to avenge the death of Hiram Abiff, (Just a side note … Hiram Abiff is a mythical hero in Freemasonry introduced in the lowest degrees) or even the slaughter of the Knights Templar, and the murder of their Grand Master. And if the ceremonies of this degree recall to our mind the catastrophe resulting in the overthrow of an illustrious order, it is true nevertheless that the commemoration of the bloody tragedy of the 11th day of March 1314, has not for its object to perpetuate ideas of vengeance against its perpetrators, which would be absurd and anti-masonic, but to make us feel the necessity of union, the better to resist tyranny and unmask imposture, and ultimately substitute both, even by force of arms, if necessary, the reign of liberty, equality and fraternity.” It is impossible to say, without direct and confirmed evidence, in what manner Freemasonry is at work with regard to the Knights of Malta. What we can say is that: Pope Francis allegedly mentioned Freemasonry with regard to the Knights of Malta. Freemasonry claims a connection to the Knights Templar, whose assets were transferred to the Knights of Malta in 1312. The Freemasons have an entire initiation ceremony dedicated to revenge for the destruction of the Templars. Whatever the case, what we can say for sure is that there is much more to this story than is being reported.
Just my own two kopeks on what happened to the Knights Templar: The majority of the order simply vanished, which is what makes myths and legends around them so fascinating. I'll wager that the majority of them simply moved to what is now Switzerland. There, they kept alive the skills they had developed in both finances AND war: the Treaty of Vienna (1815) did three things: it established the nation of Switzerland in the form we know today (previously it had been annexed and occupied by Napoleonic France); it imposed neutrality on Switzerland permanently, and it prohibited Switzerland from permitting any of citizens to act as mercenaries. The ONLY exception allowed in this treaty are the Vatican Swiss Guards. This is because Swiss armed forces, especially their mercenaries, were among the most disciplined and most feared in Europe.
These are good questions Fatima. It is my understanding that a priest can always say a valid Mass even if he is in mortal sin if the substance is proper, the words of the Consecration are correct, and his intention is to confect the sacrament. I'm no theologian though so someone else might know more on this troubling topic.
You might want to take your heterodoxy and/or tickling words elsewhere, where folks are more receptive to this agenda. It sounds like it's no longer welcome here.
"The final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Don’t be afraid, because anyone who operates for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be contended and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue." The tickling words are only an indication of the fulfillment of our Mother's prophesy through Lucia, Brian.