Restriction of another Medjugorje seer

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I don't get your spiteful and cruel invective. IF you don't want to support the work going on in medjugorje, then don't give any money. For you everything is about money isn't it, Maria Faustina ( and what a cheek, stealing the beautiful name of one of my favourite saints to spread calumny and detraction. Shame on you.)

Pray- Medjugorje is under attack from those who claim to be supporters of The Church. Pope Paul VI warned us this would happen.

 

I'm sure Marie Faustina will discover that somehow Vicka is making money from it.

 

I think Vicka pays for her operations with all that real estate she owns (sarcasm) Vicka doesn't make any money from Medjugorje and never has.

 

Go- you might find it very instructive. It's so easy to jump on a band wagon led by others. Why not visit there and find out for yourself ? then come back and tell us it's a load of rubbish.

The anti-medjugorje fanatics are working hard to brain wash folks.

Dare ya to go.

Tell you what. If you think it was a load of rubbish I'll refund your air fare.

There - now that's an honest challenge. Are you up for it ?

 

yeah. all those grapes from her grandmothers vines at the blue house. Boy. Must be worth a small fortune.

And she's just so, you know, FAT on all that high living......

 

Correct. The Vatican took this OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE LOCAL BISHOP. I will be forever grateful to Pope Benedict for this. Great Pope.

 

Sorry Sanctus I deleted that post because I realised later what you meant - feel free to delete !!

 

No worries Garabandal, these things happen! God bless.

 

Bella your concern is heartwarming but for me Medj is one of those "some will tell you go here, go there..." cases.

I have no terribly strong feelings either way so I don't believe I belong to any bandwagon as you put it.

I simply have no calling that OL is speaking there as I did at Garab. Life is short, one cannot and need not check out every rumour or story.
Clearly experiences vary.

Lourdes is my next destination, my Buddhist wife finds heaven at approved Marian Shrines for some reason .

 

Well, the logical answer to that point is that suffering alone is no proof of authenticity. There are many reasons why people suffer. Most people suffer because that is the normal condition of fallen humanity. Many of the Saints have also suffered voluntarily as an expiation for sin. And Sacred Scripture also makes clear that some suffer due to the influence of demons and due to the fact that they receive Communion in the state of mortal sin.

As to why Vicka suffers, I don't really know. I don't think any of us can say. We can only pray for her.

 

May I ask why Brother al and Richard67 regularly post disbelief of the Medjugorje apparitions and Garabandal apparitions on a Mother of God forum? I post on this forum because it is dedicated to the Mother of God. She has been given power by God the Father to crush the head of satan. As satan is particularly bothersome in this age, our Mother is telling us what to do. I don't understand how that can be perceived as demonic unless you do not understand her role as mother. Mothers talk every day to their kids. They tell them they love them and what to watch out for, they tell their kids to pray and to get to know the Father so they can get to heaven. The messages are full of those motherly words. Are they too simple for you? You don't have to believe them, but please don't suggest they come from the devil. all the devil does is hate, hate, hate. he hates prayer, humility, simplicity and most of all love, the all encompassing love that she is asking us to show to both friend and foe. There isn't a lot of places for people with devotion to the Mother of God to discuss, is it too much to ask you to respect the beliefs of those who believe these apparitions are from our heavenly Mother? The church has not decided yet, you have to wait to condemn.

 

May I ask why I should automatically believe in Medjugorje or Garabandal when neither has been approved by the Church? The Mother of God would never disobey or try to supercede the Church, NEVER. It is up to the bishops - whether the local bishop or the bishop of Rome - to discern the veracity of apparitions, not you or me. We can have our opinions and that is what I expressed here. You are free to express your opinions. But please don't pretend that Medjugorje or Garabandal are approved apparitions or that the Mother of God actually appeared there. That has not yet been established. And if you had actually ever read any of my posts regarding Garabandal, you would know that my opinions are MUCH more favorable towards that alleged apparition than towards Medjugorje, based on the statements of the local bishops of Garabandal and based on the behavior of the seers at Garabandal towards the Church authorities. There is a huge difference between Medjugorje and Garabandal in my opinion.

 

I don't know how I got involved in this post. I usually take a very balanced view and have never tried to change anyones beliefs. You are correct...I don't believe in either. But having said that...i am starting to respect conchita more and more. She must have been silenced by the church and is following obedience. I respect that she does not argue her case or talk bad about the church. Maybe when she passes they will make a positive judgment. As for the other vision...even by you judging me, it makes me wonder about its true spirit. I continue to believe something did happen but over the years it has been corrupted. In the end...they might accept a few visions and visionaries but i doubt they will accept all.

Just my humble opinion,

Brother al

 

I pray Divine Mercy Chaplet daily. Maybe I should not say it - but here it is...

 

Not removed. Only ask why you do do it or make you just think twice before posting. Things can be said many ways, especially if you are a native English speaker. My opinion is that forums like this should be open to different opinions.

 

Did you know that Saint Pope John Paul II was responsible for the authentication of the Divine Mercy chaplet and Saint Faustina's diary, and he said that "if I wasn't the Pope I would be in Medjugorje already."

 

I would tend to judge an apparition more on the fruits rather than the people that receive the messages. On the second day of the Medjugorje apparitions here is the exchanges between the children and the Virgin Mary

Friday, June 26, 1981
In the presence of a crowd of 2,000 to 3,000 people, drawn there by the luminary signs coming from the hill of the apparitions, Vicka sprinkles the apparition with Holy Water and says: If you are the Gospa, stay with us, if not, go away. The apparition only smiles.

Ivanka: Why have you come here? What do you desire?
"I have come because there are many true believers here. I wish to be with you to convert and to reconcile the whole world."

Ivanka: Did my mother say anything? (Ivanka's mother had died only about a month before)
"Obey your grandmother and help her because she is old."

Mirjana: How is my grandfather? (He had recently died.) "He is well."

The visionaries, on a request from the crowd: Give us a sign which will prove your presence. "Blessed are those who have not seen and who believe."

Mirjana: Who are you? "I am the Most Blessed Virgin Mary."

Why are you appearing to us? We are not better than others.
"I do not necessarily choose the best."

Will you come back? "Yes, to the same place as yesterday."

On returning to the village after the apparition, Marija sees the Virgin again, in tears, near a cross with rainbow colors:
"Peace, Peace, Peace! Be reconciled! Only Peace. Make your peace with God and among yourselves. For that, it is necessary to believe, to pray, to fast, and to go to confession."

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There are so many stories of healings that have taken place... that is why I am motivated to see that Medjugorje is not discredited on a Mother of God forum. Couples who have experienced infertility have conceived a baby, healing of a woman with multiple sclerosis, healing of someone with Crohn's disease, healings of cancer patients. More importantly, there are emotional healings and most importantly there are spiritual healings. Priestly vocations are born there, reconciliation after decades of being away from the church. I could point to the Spirit of Medjugorje website for story after story of spiritual renewal and healings. Finally remember in the gospel reading how Jesus couldn't perform many miracles near Nazareth because the people there didn't believe Him (isn't He the carpenter's Son?)? I think that is a warning to us to judge more by the fruits of God's graces rather than the person because there is so much we don't know or are not aware of regarding their lives

 

Sister Faustina's confessor blessed father Michael Sopocko was chosen by Jesus to spread the DM devotion and establishment of Divine Mercy Sunday. St Faustina had a vision of father Michael before they met and she heard a voice who said: This is the visible help for you on earth. He will help you carry out My will on earth. Later Jesus said: His thoughts are closely united to Mine so be at peace about what concerns My work. I will not let him make a mistake, and you should do nothing without his permission. [How good God is!]

Fr Sopocko wrote books and published many writings about DM and he had the Image of Divine Mercy painted. He worked tirelessly all his life for the devotion of DM and the Feast day of second Sunday after Easter. It was he who 1965 went to see archbishop Karol Wojtyla in Krakow and appealed to the archbishop to bring forward Sr Faustina's case. After two months the informative process began. It can be said in certainty that fr Sopocko was the main figure chosen by Jesus and the future pope John Paul II was the second one.

There is a book about blessed father Sopocko: Endless Mercy. God's Way to Holiness. The Life of Blessed Michael Sopocko, Apostle of Divine Mercy, 2013.

I don't know if the claim you cited about St John Paul II is true. Certainly I have heard of it. He knew what it was like to live in a communist country and maybe he hoped that the Virgin Mary was appearing there. He heard about good fruits (confessions, prayer, conversions etc.) but if he said anything like cited, it does not mean the apparitions in Medjugorje are authentic. Popes and saints can have their private opinions just like other people. Alleged apparitions must be studied thoroughly before any valid judgement. We must wait for the decision of pope Francis.

 

"we must wait for the decision of Pope Francis"

Great idea. Looks like you already decided for him, though.

(BTW, I still seem to be able to post on this forum: MF: "I think Padraig should give you some kind of notice... ")

Nope, I still seem to be able to comment freely. No notice given yet.

 

The thread i would have posted in has been frozen, (as so many that debate Medjugorje end up) So this one will do. From another thread i quote :One basic rule of discernment the Church uses that I have found most helpful is that true messages from Heaven are usually infrequent and few words are conveyed. Mary, a saint, angel, etc. will appear only a handful of times with very important messages. They don't just keep appearing every day and shoot the breeze.

I would be grateful Paetorian if you could tell me if you put Medjugorje in that category.