By November 2017 we will be living in the era of peace...those who survive

Don't know if any here are familiar with Dr. Issam Nemeh......very interesting holy man who has joined with NASA scientists to explore the connection between prayer...even over great distances.... and healings. His own life, from when he was very young, pointed to his present work with the healing gift. His many healings and insights can be found here:

http://blindfaithlive.com/#sthash.GNDcNZAn.uBdGhvhs.dpbs

but especially this podcast connects to this thread: New Warning in the Sky for 2017 – BFL 175

Since Christ has already been born as a baby we don't need this to happen all over again. He is now at the right hand of the Father Who will come to judge us.....since His sacrifice has already occurred. So Dr. Nemeh sees these current signs in the sky as Mary representing the Church and Jupiter representing Satan/Evil one fully entering into Her, etc. Just another discernment on the topic. Anyway, here is his take:

http://blindfaithlive.com/new-warning-in-the-sky-2017-bfl-175/#sthash.4ZdaMyFy.dpbs

 

This updated prophecy from the Trump 2011 "prophecy" given to the retired fireman, Mark Taylor, speaks to a role for Russia, the U.S. and its allies in the future:

 

The waves of Islamic migrants happened thanks to the failed policy of USA and Europe in Libya, then Syria, and before Afghanistan. Let alone the chronic misfortune of Africa that sees masses of Nigerians who do not escape boko haram rather poverty. I don't see any involvement of Russia in that. If Russia now is engaged in Syria it is to prevent that ancient prophetic and ancient Christian country to fall to all Qaeda and Isis. Hope Trump understands that better than Obama did. No one wants Mujahedin masked as migrants. Even less Russia who suffered terrorist attacks all those 20 plus years.

Formally the consecration formula weren't said. Allegedly Putin asked Francis to do it...and was refused...no confirmation of this report of fr...Kramer?

M Martin said clearly God chose Russia for his salvation plan. It was posted in this forum and on youtube, I don't remember was it 1996 1997 1998 interview.

 

In case we loose sight of what else Father Martin said, I will repost what he said on Russia. Apparently Russia is the curse of nations, before its people rise up and usurp its Godless communistic leaders.

Malachi Martin Gives: CLUES To the Third Secret Fatima: “The defining event for the Church in the third millennium.” The Third Secret: “An ‘either-or’ proposition, and we’re now living in the ‘or.’” The coming chastisement: “Your worst nightmare, multiplied exponentially.” These are the words of Malachi Martin – who read the Third Secret of Fatima. http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr107/cr107.pdf#pg23

By Suzanne Pearson
During the four years before his death in 1999 it was my privilege to know Father Malachi Martin. I had a rather substantial interaction with him over the next four years, during which time he often spoke about Fatima.

He believed that Fatima was the most important event of the 20th Century, and that carrying out its mandate was the most urgent task facing the Church and the world. I had already noticed, listening to his interviews, that when he spoke about Fatima, he
spoke with authority, as Our Lord’s contemporaries had said about His teaching. So, during our very first telephone conversation, I said, “I get the impression that you know the Fatima Secret!” And Father Malachi said, “I do.”

When we met the following week, alluding to his skepticism about the Charismatic movement, I asked him sort of kiddingly, “Did the Holy Spirit reveal the Third Secret to you?” “Oh no,”he replied. “I was shown a copy of the Third Secret at the time Pope John XXIII opened it and sought the advice of a group of Cardinals in 1960. One of those Cardinals was Augustin Cardinal Bea, and I was his assistant.” I then ventured, “The Third Secret concerns the apostasy in the Church, doesn’t it?” This guess was based on the few scattered tidbits about Fatima that came to light during the lean years of the 70s and 80s, and on the reasoning of Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite: “The material chastisements are already predicted in the second part of the Secret.” The Third Secret predicts “a chastisement of the spiritual order.”

To my surprise, Father Malachi responded: “The apostasy in the Church forms the backdrop or the context of the Third Secret. The apostasy is just beginning now. But the chastisements foretold in the Secret are very real, physical chastisements, and
they are terrible!”

“A physical chastisement of the nations, involving catastrophes, man-made or natural, on land, on water and in the atmosphere of the globe. A spiritual chastisement ... [consisting] of the disappearance of religious belief, a period of widespread unfaith in many countries. A central function of Russia in the two preceding series of events. In fact, the physical and spiritual chastisements, according to Lucia’s letter, are to be gridded on a fateful timetable in which Russia is the ratchet".

The Secret was presented as an either-or proposition, he said. The Pope of 1960 had the obligation to open the Secret, read it, and do what it said. This was the “either.” Pope John XXIII refused the “either,” and so we are now living in the “or.” The spiritual chastisement apparently began very soon after 1960. As a result of the Holy Father’s refusal, Father Martin said: • “Cardinals, bishops, and priests are falling like leaves into Hell.”
• “Faith will disappear from countries and continents.”
• “Many of the elect will lose their faith. Many people who now believe will give up in despair. Things will get so bad that if Our Lady did not step in, no one would be saved.”

 

I am familiar with this holy man (he appeared on 60 mins or something like that) but I suggest that people be cautious. I have not yet listened to the podcast which you have posted but I will.

When Revelation 12 states that the male child was snatched up to God and his throne, I have wondered if this represents the abomination of desolation. I posted this idea on MOG before. I would say that I probably agree with the general idea of Dr. Nemeh, this event of the WCWTS represents evil entering the church but not the same way that you state here. (Eventually the male child will defeat the beast, so appears to be Jesus but he will not make the final judgment at the time of the WCWTS's appearance, this will occur at the end.)

 

Thanks so much!
Btw Putin is not communist, the com leader is called Zyuganov.

I do not agree with pope Francis policy of open doors to millions migrants some of who rape and others directly kill in France streets. If he wants so much to accept them he may open the doors of the countless monasteries and bishops residences. The question is also one of money. EU never got better in the last decade. Instead of betterment of EU own poor class EU got a heavenly gift of Africans and Afghans besides the Syrians to care about. Is that to fulfil the gospel or rather say to give up to premeditated and planned Islamic invasion? In that process Russia can and wants to help Europe. Of course it is two sided process.

Instead of dealing with that, the respected cardinals quarrel whom to give communion, after it is clear the biggest deviations from the moral norms they preach happen to be in their own backyard...do they go to hell I don't know and dont care.

Benedict was pretty clear as pope when he said of the hundred anniversary. Now I can't find d it easily? Was it erased from record???

 

In one way, yes. Jesus will no longer be present in Churches, via his Eucharistic presence, as they will be outlawed globally. He will be present only in homes/refuges via the underground Church. This is the abomination of desolation. However, there will still be a counterfeit mass with no sacrifice taking place.

 

Do not be fooled. Has he ever disavowed his role in communist Russia?

(More from Father Malachi Martin)
“In 1980, Pope John Paul II spoke to a group of German Catholics about the Third Secret. ‘Why’, one questioner asked, ‘did John XXIII refuse to obey the requests of the Third Secret?’ ‘Given the seriousness of its contents,’ he explained, ‘my predecessors in the Petrine Office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.’”

His words, Malachi Martin wrote, point to a mortal danger facing the capitalist nations, about which Lucia is quite explicit in the text of the Third Secret. The fact that the Holy Father came to that conclusion and made that statement indicates that it must be accurate and based on objective facts.

“In that ‘Third Secret,’ indeed”, he continued, “Lucia’s words are so explicit and so verifiable – and therefore so authentic – that, were the leaders of the Leninist Party- State to know those words, they would in all probability decide to undertake certain territorial and militaristic moves against which the West could have few if any means of resisting, and the Church would be plunged into further and deeper subjugation to the Party-State. Lucia’s words underline a terrible vulnerability in the capitalist nations.... The capitalist West could be entrapped by the USSR.”

This analysis was understandably relevant during the years of Communism. But is Russia still a danger after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Father Martin was not so sure it did collapse. Many Soviet officials were still in the same positions, having been newly elected to their posts as “former Communists”. [This includes Putin who has never rejected his roll in communist Russia].

In January 1960, Nikita Khrushchev announced ... that Russia had developed “a fantastic new weapon, so powerful that it could wipe out all life on Earth” if used without restraint. Some researchers maintain that the Soviets began using this weapon to attack U.S. military targets and to alter the weather over America as early
as the 1960s. The West, having suppressed Tesla’s discoveries, found itself unprepared. So, while Russia keeps expanding its scalar capability, the American defense
establishment has been scurrying to catch up.

 

No worries about not finding the quotes, I am just truly not certain of what they had said I would have liked to have seen them. I heard that interview with Father Martin about the 20 years but I think when I tried to find it again recently and I could not.
I just wonder how they would have guessed at the timeframe? The Fatima secrets that we were given did not have dates associated with them unless this is something contained in the 3rd secret that they did not give the public. Or are they using Saint Malachy's prophecies of the popes or Garabandal which has dates associated with it or some other prophecy?

(Now, as I have stated, we have the WCWTS sign as an indicator that they were correct, along with what we see going on in the church, the opposition between the clergy.)

Yes but now I am not so certain of the timeframe of this like I was a few months ago when I was very naive. In other words, I believed that once the "birth" occurred then the abomination of desolation must occur soon after but now I can see so many other possibilities. The beast from the sea enters the church while the woman is pregnant, that is all I know - so before 9/23/17 this should happen.

 

Is this what you were thinking of?

May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.

Our Lady of Fatima: Pope Benedict's Homily. 'I too Have Come as a Pilgrim' - Europe - International - News - Catholic Online

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ile-system/ar-AAlwfcD?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE07DHP
Strange how some things appear at the right time. The above article ties in ETA's Mark Taylor video and Fatima's idea of it's "Russia". If Russia leaves weapons behind for ISIS both are to blame assuming ISIS is the culprit in the end, ISIS directly and Russia indirectly.

 

I didn't "state" anything myself here. Only offered this man's take on the topic of this current WCWTS formation taking place in the sky. I find a lot of the rest of the discussion a bit confusing but I don't know what he's explained previously that could define his terms. I don't think though that he speaks to the "final judgment" at the time of the WCWTS sign in the sky since he says it's only the end of the era and talks to the ongoing conversion of those left and the Jews in particular as they look upon the one they pierced and know that He is the messiah (similar to probably what was meant in Natan's NDE when he speaks to them being surprised by Who their messiah actually turns out to be when they are given the truth by His appearance....and that He is already known). I don't have a clue about what he means about the end of Purgatory except that others have stated that those who haven't received the gift of the Divine Mercy prior to the Warning, but who will repent and convert during the Warning, will undergo what is necessary for them to be purified, like their purgatory on earth, to the point that they can then also enter into the New Era, if God wills, after enduring the time of the chastisement/purification when they suffer for their sins while they remain faithful through that time. Those who have been cleansed by the gift of the Divine Mercy= all sins and their punishment forgiven can enter immediately....perhaps what is meant by the "solid ones". No one as of now can speak exactly to what is yet to come so I never think that I can, on my own, properly interpret. I think he also means that those who truly follow Christ cannot at the same time feel that they must adhere to everything the head of the organizational Church says or orders at a time when evil has entered there....if they've been taught to do so through wrong teaching and don't understand the limitations to that if it steps outside of dogma which is already ordered by Christ, the Word, and the commandments. That is why I think that a lot of recent messages given by the Mother almost demand, at least plea, for all to study and know scripture and the commandments so that they will know Who and what to follow during such false times now and getting worse.

 

What did I say (write)? I know it's his opinion not your's. I haven't even listened to it yet as I stated. When I state, "you state here" I should have said, "that you state he does". Sorry about that. (Poor writing skills on my part).

 

For me personally...I believe its early...something tells me...it more around 2038. I've heard this pitched about before.
Reason for later...
1) Our Lady at Medugojre has not given her life account yet or divulged any of the secrets.
2) The World Wide persecution of the Church has yet to begin even though we see concrete signs of it beginning
3) The Globalist/New World Order/ Global Masonic/Communism etc... are just getting started. The infrastructure is nearly complete but not quite yet. ( cashless societies, chip implants , proactive euthanasia for the elderly,sick...its actively in the pipeline though)
4) Divisions in the Church are yet to break out in the open though we see early signs and fissures.
I just think the cauldron is starting to boil and it will come to a roiling boil around 2038

5) Subject to change and revision if I'm wrong...Oh yea...Our Lady still calls this a time of Grace...and Pope Francis said that the time of Mercy has not ended.

 

http://motheofgod.com/threads/third-secret-of-fatima-is-unfolding.6779/
M.Martin about Russia and Kiev in third secret or final solution

About Benedict yes that seems correct quote although he said much more like fatima is not finished still relevant etc. He said that as pope. Later as emeritus he stepped back to positions of early card.Ratzinger. besides that, I have the feeling may be incorrect that some doc's of vat. Are doctored post factum. They are not spread that much as secular news if they are on several servers it is not so difficult. But I have no proof of that.

Whatever it is, Benedict waited the hundred years as pope, while now nobody knows what is he really waiting for thinking....

It remains to have one more resignation to close the list...

 

If great warning will happen at all I expect it before march, to have time for miracle and Chastisement. Or we are somehow mistaken incl the seers. After all, era of peace without Chastisement would be welcome by majority....

As of antichrist, final seven years and second coming, nobody know neither the angels nor the Son but only the Father, said Jesus. There were so many antichrists and every time by each generation end times were expected by sincere faithful who finally proved to be wrong and died in Lord peace... So I'd not bet on that. I'd expect the fulfilment of temporal prophecy not of biblical.

As of date, we know there is a date in fatima original text of one paper. Neues Europa version that is not identical but close enough acorfingcardottaviani, said in the second half of twentieth century. That should be read, before the end of....and was read as such by John Paul...was Our Lady even more precise, that gave Martin the assurance In. 1997 that would happen before 20 years, idk.

 

No big deal. Just didn't want anyone to think I was using this as some kind of "statement" coming from myself....or endorsement. Such things happen in general discussions of things. Things are so very interesting these days....seeming to come from all directions, heading hopefully for the right path towards His Divine Will. Can only imagine all that was misunderstood or incompletely understood during Jesus' own time on earth where it was mostly the simple and ignorant who were open enough still to be filled.

 

We may discuss endlessly Russia. Demonizing the country that ended cold war voluntarily having at that time 50-60 thousand nukes compared to twice less of USA and decided to scrap them in exchange of promises for peace and development. If it were not that generation of com.leaders we wouldn't be discussing it now. If it was not for the frozen patience of Putin the war would have started 2008 in Georgia.

 

Prophecies from Fatima and Garabandal would be better understandable, if you replaced "Russia" by "secular World", "Moscow" by "Great Babylon" and "communism" by "atheism".
If Mary would appear today, she would use names EU, Brussel, capitalism. It is foolish to expect literal fulfillment of prophecies, which are mystical.
Before 3000 years prophets used words Samaria, Egypt, Moab, Amon, Babylon, pagans, Canaanites in prophecies of the end of the World. Now the language is other in today's prophecies, which remains still written in secret tongue.

 

Do the math doesn't work. If it entered on nov 20 that would be more than 10 months