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I must admit that I have not kept up with all the "carryin-on" in this thread but like so many other threads here ... People of Faith are getting all worked up over matters little understood and way above our "pay-grades". I don't understand Pope Francis but have come to believe he is doing as God directs because The Storm, like The Passion, must come to pass! Will history cast him as a St Peter or Judas I know not... but I do know that St Peter and Judas had their parts to play as directed so that The Cross, Resurrection and Salvation could come to pass!
As to Homosexuals? God made and loves them too ... Remember!
I don't know why they were born or evolved that way? Yes!! We must stand up to the Radical Gays and their Radical Agenda .... and Radicals of ALL persuasions!! The Gay "Lifestyle is, no doubt, perverted but have we "Straights" not allowed our sexuality to be perverted by Hollywood, Government and the Porn Industry? ........ as we watch our Nations, Churches, Communities and Families dissolve? Soooo ... time to see to your affairs at your home, parish and community .... let God handle the Big Unknowables.
Happy Independence Day & GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
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Defending the Faith is defending the Faith, no matter who it's being defended against.

And for the umpteenth time, defending the Faith is not and could never be an "attack on the pope." If someone claims the grave sin of cohabitation confers the grace of and constitutes the sacrament of marriage, we must defend the Faith from such obvious error, whether it's from the guy across from us at the lunch counter or the pope in Rome.

If the pope in Rome utters such sophistry, sorry, he is not above criticism.

Because he is not above Christ.

 

You don't know what you're talking about Brian. It is absolutely theologically and scientifically sound.

 

Actually yes, I do know what I'm talking about, I've been writing about medical ethics and the culture of life for almost two decades, I'm a doctor, and I've even been published in the pope's paper, L'Osservatore Romano. The Vatican screens their writers; they will not publish anything from an author who "does not know what they are talking about." My degrees are in science and medicine, not theology, but I know a bit more about the latter than your average Catholic.

And I'm probably better prepared to make a scientific analysis of your nonsense than you.

And it's not a failure of humility to point out these truths. It's a simple fact.

 

In fairness that response was on the cards. No flashing credentials here generally from anyone but you know when put up against the wall the slam dunk is coming down on someones head oops

 

To blame Christians in particular for high rates of homosexual suicide is a lie. Part of the LGBT myth.

The particular paragraph I have highlighted above is deeply and inherently flawed , indeed it is homosexual propaganda. I find it offensive that it has been placed on this forum to point the blame where the blame does not lie!

The reason why there is a high suicide rate amongst homosexuals is that as children they have suffered trauma of attachment loss and a core identity injury.

Dr Joseph Nicolosi
Most of the clients I see have experienced a core gender-identity injury. Whenever a person has experienced an injury to the core self, re-experiencing the injury is so deeply unsettling that it feels like a sort of death; it is emotionally agonizing and even physically searing. In the earliest phase of Grief Work, the client is often surprised by the extent and depth of his buried pain. It is not unusual to hear him say something like, "I can't believe there is so much sadness in me!" The sadness may spill over into his daily life; it is very common for him to report spontaneous crying during the week "for no reason." Yet the benefits of revisiting the pain are powerful.

http://www.josephnicolosi.com/shame-as-an-avenue-into-deep/

Not surprisingly, the person with a homosexual problem shares traits characteristic of persons stuck in pathological grief: excessive dependency upon others for self-esteem, subclinical depression, maladaptive behaviors, suicidal ideation, emotional instability, as well as difficulty with long-term intimate relationships.

Acceptance of a gay identity leads to greater risk of anxiety, depression, low self-esteem, loneliness, suicide attempts, failed relationships, drug use, alcohol abuse, tobacco use, and addiction to unhealthy (exotic) sexual practices, as well as STD'S and AIDS.
Dr Joseph Nicolosi

http://www.josephnicolosi.com/what-is-reparative-therapy-exa/

 

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Monday 4 July 2016

Office of Readings


Second Reading From a letter to the Corinthians by Saint Clement, pope


Seek the good of all, not personal advantage

The command has been written: Cling to the saints, for those who cling to them will be sanctified. There is a passage in Scripture as well which states: With the innocent man you will be innocent, and with the chosen one you will be chosen also; likewise with the perverse you will deal perversely. Devote yourselves, then, to the innocent and the just; they are God’s chosen ones. Why are there strife and passion, schisms and even war among you? Do we not possess the same Spirit of grace which was given to us and the same calling in Christ? Why do we tear apart and divide the body of Christ? Why do we revolt against our own body? Why do we reach such a degree of insanity that we forget that we are members of one another? Do not forget the words of Jesus our Lord: Woe to that man; it would be better for him if he had not been born rather than scandalise one of my chosen ones. Indeed it would be better for him to have a great millstone round his neck and to be drowned in the sea than that he lead astray one of my chosen ones. Your division has led many astray, has made many doubt, has made many despair, and has brought grief upon us all. And still your rebellion continues.

Pick up the letter of blessed Paul the apostle. What did he write to you at the beginning of his ministry? Even then you had developed factions. So Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote to you concerning himself and Cephas and Apollos. But that division involved you in less sin because you were supporting apostles of high reputation and a person approved by them.

We should put an end to this division immediately. Let us fall down before our master and implore his mercy with our tears. Then he will be reconciled to us and restore us to the practice of brotherly love that befits us. For this is the gate of justice that leads to life, as it is written: Open to me the gates of justice. When I have entered there, I shall praise the Lord. This is the gate of the Lord; the just shall enter through it. There are many gates which stand open, but the gate of justice is the gateway of Christ. All who enter through this gate are blessed, pursuing their way in holiness and justice, performing all their tasks without discord. A person may be faithful; he may have the power to utter hidden mysteries; he may be discriminating in the evaluation of what is said and pure in his actions. But the greater he seems to be, the more humbly he ought to act, and the more zealous he should be for the common good rather than his own interest. (end )


Our Lady of Victory - Pray for Us


Peace,
Ed
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There's only one person that can put an end to this confusion immediately, but he refuses to clarify any of his ambiguities.

 

Garabandal, I have actually found the articles you posted quite enlightening and helpful in keeping a balanced view of the homosexual 'problem'. But your post highlights one of the problems of the contributions on this topic on this forum. You say, in bold "To blame Christians in particular for high rates of homosexual suicide is a lie". No it isn't! It would only be a lie if the person blaming the Christians believed the statement to be untrue.

I have stopped paying any serious attention to Brian's posts because of their aggressive and abusive tone. All the most wonderful journalistic, ethical, medical or writing credentials in the world cannot hide the lack of love in those posts. I nearly didn't read your own post because of that initial false statement.

Intellectual criticisms of Pope Francis will always fail if they attempt to portray him as some kind of 'evil' person or, at the very least, as lacking in love. Love is recognizable. Pope Francis has it in fullness.

 

So currently on the Mother of God forum we have attacks on Charlie Johnston, Mark Mallet, Peter B, and Pope Francis going on.

Pretty clear to me, and I'm sure to the majority of prayerful Catholics, what the origin of those attacks are. Diabolical disorientation is running rampant amongst the very vocal few who fancy themselves as the remnant.

 

I met a group of professional bank robbers in a bar one time. In many ways they are and their wives were fine people. Very sober, very correct, true professionals. I doubt they will ever get caught, the police of course know all about them. But they are...well too professional. I did feel a strong sense of aversion to them I admit. They were a hard lot, them and their wives too. But I think it was mostly the evil that caused the aversion not bankrobberphobia.

Everywhere homosexuality is mentionedi n scripture it is condemned, often in the very strongest possible terms. . Not in single instance is it condoned. Do we assume then that the scriptures writes and Church Fathers wer ehomophobic. No. Of course not .

 

My basci problem with Pope Francis , Cathy is that he is a Modernist. Which I think has been described as , 'The Synthesis of all the heresies'. Its basic fault is to marry the gospel to the modern world in such a way that the Gospel itself is diluted and lost.

 

Did you consult your own Spiritual Director before making this post? Of course not, because you believed enough in what you were writing to post without consulting him' Can you then fault me for doing the same?

In fact my spiritual director died many years ago of cancer and when I asked him to recommend a new one he told me to take Jesus as my Director because he said he could not think of a priest he could trust to direct me. In fact looking back down the years he was correct.

 

I follow the arguments many of them outraged in , 'Defense', of the Pope Francis. But they al lseem to start with the premise, the Pope cannot be a heretic since Popes cannot be heretics. Or on a more emotive note , Popes cannot be heretics because it si not a nice thing to say about Popes. Or again you cannot say that about a Pope because it upsets people.

Well I took over three years of intense discernment into this. A lot of personal agony and soul searching and all I will say is this. It boils down to simple common sense. if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck and sounds like a duck , well you bet your bottom dollar on it, that duck is a duck. Yo ucan tell me it is impossible for it to be a duck, it is not nice to say it is a duck , that I should never say it is a duck. But at the end of the day it is a duck. ..and that is that. I don't like it any better than you all do, but I didn't make it that way, its just the way it is.

 

I can see how some could come to the conclusion that the pope is a modernist and therefore heretic. I have not myself, but this pope is confusing and there are so many negative sites and articles on him that i could see someone coming to that outcome. But throughout this whole thread, you give the impression that this was something shown to you in prayer or maybe a locution...I don't even know. Can you please clarify the mystical influence in your conclusion and then compare it to the mystical influence if any, of the big event you was sure would happen after the AL was published.

 

The premise of the article is that the reason for high levels of suicide amongst homosexuals is a result of aversion and even hatred from Christians. Not true. Being intellectually opposed to homosexual activity is not homophobia.

Homophobia is practised in many Muslim countries.

https://news.vice.com/article/gay-m...-islamic-state-but-few-can-resettle-in-the-us

With regard to the high rate of suicide amongst homosexuals I defer to Dr Joseph Nicolosi an expert in the field who clearly states that homosexuals are prone to suicidal tendencies due to unresolved inner conflict.

"the person with a homosexual problem shares traits characteristic of persons stuck in pathological grief: excessive dependency upon others for self-esteem, subclinical depression, maladaptive behaviors, suicidal ideation, emotional instability, as well as difficulty with long-term intimate relationships".

Nicolosi's articles are well worth reading as they are both informative and orthodox.

http://www.josephnicolosi.com/articles/

Having deferred to an expert in the field I will post no more.

 

I agree,! We MUST STAY WITH THE POPE!

 

Peter's English translations for Edson Glauber, and possibly Zaro, frequently show up on afterthewarning.com.

 

The greatest biblical scholars thought Jesus was a he

I am quite curious as well. You specifically suggested that in 2 weeks something very specific would occur after the publication of AL. Even though I don't post much, I have followed this forum for a long time. And this was not a statement you made ,"off the cuff." When questioned the topic seemed to be swept under the rug and minimized. I feel like there are missing puzzle pieces here!

 

Happy Independence Day, Padraig and I'd like to shake your hand across thousands of miles of land and sea! My kids are constantly asking me why is Pope Francis saying about this and that about birth control, divorce, apologizing to gays. I've run out of explanations. We are the type of Catholic sheep that give, we volunteer, we go to Mass, we confess, we are Confirmed.. It's hard to recognize Pope Francis's voice as a Shepherd when he says all these questionable things. It's is more peaceful to ignore the headlines he makes and move on. It doesn't have much impact on us now except my oldest son is threatening to quit the Church over 'we must apologize to gays.' We must stay the course and hope it doesn't get much worse than it is now. I do feel badly for the next generation of Catholics because his words may lead directly to their persecution as you have alluded to, Padraig, in many of your very insightful posts on this thread.