Russian documentary about new world order

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Prince of Peace, Jun 29, 2016.

  1. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Really, all this talk about threats from Russia, etc., are a diversion from rising problems in Western democracies.

    In the US, Hillary Clinton has been under investigation for months by the FBI about whether she jeopardised national security by storing classified information on her private email server. There are suggestions that when she was Secretary of State preferential treatment or favours were exchanged for donations to her husband's charitable foundation. The Attorney General who was appointed by her husband spent a half hour talking to him days before Mrs. Clinton was finally interviewed by the FBI, yet the Attorney General claims that everything is above board because she won't overrule any decision by the FBI. Watching CNN tonight, the spin is that none of this should impact Mrs. Clinton's election prospects. You couldn't make it up.

    The same CNN programme is claiming that the seventeen million Brits who voted for Brexit are ignorant, racist, xenophobic conservative bigots who have now changed their minds because forty thousand people in London have held a march to pressurise the British Parliament into ignoring the democratic decision of the electorate. They are saying that everyone expressing dissatisfaction with the effects of globalisation is a far right conservative despite clear evidence to the contrary. They are also saying that far right nationalism is to blame for growing dissatisfaction with the EU across Europe despite clear evidence to the contrary. All this is spun to convince people in the US that Hillary Clinton would make a better President than Donald Trump and save the US from being taken over by ignorant, racist, xenophobic bigots. You couldn't make that up either.

    Putin is a favourite whipping boy of the same TV news channel. And Putin is accused of being a corrupt propagandist?

    A rise in anarchy disguised as civil rights activism supported by some very powerful people is a greater danger to Western democracies than Vladimir Putin. They manipulate young people into thinking that following their line is a sign of intelligence and tolerance. You could have a degree in what Elton John eats for breakfast and you're a brainbox if you support them but if you oppose them you had better hold a post-grad qualification in one of the STEM subjects or you will be dismissed as an ignorant bigot.
     
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  2. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    With these points I disagree.

    The situation in the Ukraine and Crimea is entirely different than what is going on currently in other former SU nations. When Victor Yanukovych was ousted in a hugely funded campaign of propaganda by the west, Putin stepped in to protect Russians. Russia has not interfered in the direction of former SU nations when their people chose to align themselves with the EU in a legitimate manner.

    Declaring that their choice to align with the EU becomes a thorn in the side of Putin, because he wants to restore the former glory of the SU, is nothing more than speculation and fear mongering. This Narrative has been constantly repeated in the western media for at least 10 years now. Lets call it what it is... Russo-Phobia.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ant-the-USSR-back-but-no-one-believes-us.html

    You consider the build up of NATO forces in the Baltic States to be nothing. There are going to be 4 permanent battalions, and a highly mobile force of 40,000 troops. Hardly a nothing.

    https://www.rt.com/news/346678-nato-russia-baltic-stoltenberg/

    Then there is the installation of an US antimissile defence system across Europe which is going to be used to protect themselves from "Iran". These antimissile defence systems can easily be retro-fitted to become a missile attack system by simply reprogramming the operating system.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/world/europe/russia-nato-us-romania-missile-defense.html?_r=0

    Russia is no longer the SU, I am sorry you cannot let go of the cold war. Even Putin has said Lenin left under Russia a time bomb. However I can understand that the fear of Russia has been ingrained into the consciousness of the people of the of former soviet nations. But the current military build up on both sides has nothing to do with Narrative that Putin wants to rebuild the SU, and everything to do with the NWO trying to establish their world order.

    "Vladimir Putin has denounced Lenin and his Bolshevik government for their brutal repressions and accused him of having placed a “time bomb” under the state."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ses-lenin-of-placing-a-time-bomb-under-russia

    Ad Hominem attacks aside, I have asked you before, and I will ask you again. What exactly are the evils that Russia is currently spreading? The general direction that Russia has been taking has been very good from where I stand. Very much in alignment with Church teaching.

    I can understand how you can believe that the two are in league together, but again I disagree with this. The main reason I disagree is that any actions taken by the west always has a financial root cause. Currently Russia does not have a privately owned central bank, and this stands in the way of the New World Order. For what good reason is there to build up military on both sides to bring about war, if they are in league together. Would it not be better/easier for Russia to join the EU, and consolidate the power of the World Elite?
     
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  3. Lets call it what it is... Russo-Phobia.

    Ha! PC Alinsky stuff now appearing at your favorite thread within MoG!! And I say, for those who had the iron hand of oppression upon them in the past and fear the same from this obvious dream of the former KGB COL within that dastardly past, such a realistic and mature type of fear should be worn as a badge of pride.

    The EU is a failed progressive dream now being realized in fact....and that splitting apart and thus lack of cover is even more reason to feel in position to be easily conquered....and, as prophecy holds, will soon come to pass.
     
  4. What exactly are the evils that Russia is currently spreading?

    Oh....I thought it would be self explanatory/geo-political history 101.....but perhaps, like the youth today who don't have a clue about the 4th of July in this nation, such evil is still necessary to be instructed and is still called and remains that "Red Dragon" or Marxist Atheistic "Dialectical Materialism". Now if you've been privy to some regime change taking place there I'm sure all would be pleased to know! And, btw, the fact that there are no privately held banks there isn't a good thing.... the helpless population is never more than subjects of state decisions made about their earnings....which continue to create a state of instability which then forces the look outward for more conquests or necessitates interventions elsewhere and withholding necessities for living in certain Western countries as a call in chip for security.

    The reason China had their own recent economic downfall which put the entire world on alert was the fact that the state is the sole controller of such major funds and had made bad decisions that involved the state decision to be heavily in real estate. They are now attempting to correct such grave results but of course doing so again through state control. Far too much control in the hands of a few. And you approve of such a state it would appear. Again....it may do some good to study that basic geo-political population control in your favored nations of the moment.
     
  5. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    Please explain the context of how Dialectical Materialism is taught today in Russia, and how this translates into spreading the errors of Russia. When I was in grade 9 we spent a whole year learning about Russia, its history, and its economic systems. Learning about something doesn't mean it is being encouraged like through some state sponsored propaganda. Currently Materialism and Relativism is spreading through the west, while it is declining in Russia. As well learning something within the borders of Russia, is not spreading errors through out the world. So I will ask you this more specifically. Please show me the Propaganda that Russia is currently spreading through the west to propagate its errors.

    Russia is not the Soviet Union, so obviously a Regime change has happened, I am sorry you cannot see this. The conversion in Russia to the Orthodox church has increased by 40% to 70% since the fall of the SU. This alone discredits your idea that Russia desires to return to Marxism. The narrative that Russia desires to return to the SU is nothing but fear mongering on your part.

    I would agree with your statement if it was worded as the following.

    "the fact that there are no privately held central banks there isn't necessarily a good thing"

    However I would argue that Nationally owned central banks are the best, especially when the dollar is backed by Gold. When this was the case the US thrived. Since the US has relinquished its control of the central bank to the Federal Reserve the value of the dollar has gone down in value by 96% in comparison to Gold. This has only increased inflation, and wages are not keeping up with it. Hence why we see the diminishment of the middle class, and the greater marginalization between the poor and the wealthy in the US.

    http://www.24hgold.com/english/contributor.aspx?article=908683662G10020&contributor=Charleston Voice

    The US is not alone when it comes to inflation. The Euro has also been deflating at an alarming rate. Currently the US owes close to 20 Trillion US dollars, and the EU close to 13 Trillion EURO. Hence the low interest rates, and even negative interest rates we are seeing today.

    http://www.eudebtclock.org

    I also argue that this has debt has been engineered, as a means for the elite to consolidate their power world wide. As I look at the 20 year history of US and Coalition involvement in foreign nations, and every action is geared towards controlling them. Privatizing central banks, handing out unaffordable loans, thereby putting the people under a perpetual yolk that they can never recover from. Then establishing free trade agreements, especially with nations who do not have decent labour and environmental laws.

    BTW The Nation of Russia does not determine the wages of the people, the employers do. This WAS the case under the SU, but is no longer a fact of today.

    I never said that China made good decisions in terms of Economics. My point has been that as long as Russia and China maintain their independence of the world banking cartels, they maintain control of their nations direction. Something the worlds elite despise, and see as a road block to their goal of world domination.

    "Far too much control in the hands of a few." Please tell me how is the EU or US is any different? They respectively owe 12 and 20 trillion, and have been making poor decision after poor decision.

    "And you approve of such a state it would appear"

    You have a bad habit of creating straw men arguments when someone disagrees with your opinion. I never stated I agreed with Chinas fiscal policies, and for the record I also do not agree with their abuses of human rights. But I do agree with themselves keeping their banks independent of the worlds banking cartels for reasons stated previously.

    The fact that you thought that Russia controls the wages of the people leaves me to believe you need to take the same medicine. It also is an ambiguous statement, and another straw man. Just because I support the general direction of China and Russia, does not mean I agree with everything they do 100% of the time.
     
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  6. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    I am calling a spade a spade, if I see Russo-phobia I call it. You are definitely a russo-phobe, constantly repeating the mainstream media narrative that Putin is trying to convert Russia back to the SU.

    I agree with you that the EU definitely has most definitely failed. I don't see it as a "progressive dream", but as more of an attempt of the worlds elite to consolidate world domination. Hence all the "progressive" backlash when brexit occurred. I also agree with you that as the EU begins to break apart, it will most definitely be in a weak position. I also see the united states being in the same position.

    Its only a question of time before the EU and US begin to collapse. The worlds elite have a limited amount of time before they can consolidate their desire for world power. The longer they wait, the less chance of success they will have.

    Yet the question remains... who will throw the first punch?
     
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  7. "Regime change" in Russia = Mr. KGB Putin...! Oh, I forgot that interim "President", Mr. Medvedev, serving at the pleasure of his puppet master.

    Any show of economic reform has stalled in recent years. Russia remains a predominantly state economy with the highest concentration of wealth primarily held in officials' hands. Privatization though is now necessary again (the previous attempt created all kinds of corruption and began a quasi control by an oligarchy) due to grave conditions created by falling gas prices....roughly 14% of the population.... are now living in poverty. "Russia is suffering from a double whammy of Western sanctions and collapsing oil prices. The economy shrank by 3.7% in 2015, making it one of the world's 10 worst performing emerging markets for the year. The International Monetary Fund expects a further contraction of about 1% this year." Over the years property rights had not been protected to any real degree. The state continued to interfere in the private sector's freedom of operation. They continue to have a boom or bust type of economic security due to those factors and dependence upon world commodity prices. The oligarchs had been seen as too much competition for the state's control and we all know about the rather intriguing early dispatching of such persons. So here we are today with that easy foothold in that oil rich region of the world due to the chaos there and the desperation of Russia's economy. And such creative chaos beginning in the West will simply aid that same regime in venturing into that region as well.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13840...st-warship-to-decimate-isis-once-and-for-all/

    The only problem with this ISIS concentration up 'til now is that Putin seems to keep getting the anti-Assad forces confused with ISIS. Now this isn't a pretty picture but then Mr. Obama hasn't offered any real opposition, so why not. This set up could just be the opportunity for Obama's "error" that will be the excuse for that attack of the nations against Israel.

    And hey, no straw men, btw. Every item, person, country mentioned was a direct response to your original introduction of such to the discussion.
     
  8. You are definitely a russo-phobe, constantly repeating the mainstream media narrative that Putin is trying to convert Russia back to the SU.

    Um...no I'm not. In fact that MSM likes to think that Putin is a reformer as well. By not being an apologist for Putin, as obvious title you yourself are now stuck with, and his history or his venturing beyond his neighbors' borders and plans feared by others nearby of more of the same is rather simply being pragmatically cautious....esp. when the bear is weakened with such an economy as currently exists there.

    I fear that the future (not so far out there either) U.S. crises may be more due to great natural disasters.....which recent warnings have been via many alerts by our experts. The state of our economy has been so deliberately ruined by the Obama regime....for that fundamental change....that any great disaster will certainly create a state where only those willing to serve one another can survive. I believe that it just may have been Servant of God, Therese Neumann, the German stigmatist during WWII, who prophesied such for the U.S.= Towards the end of that century America would be destroyed economically by a series of natural disasters.
     
  9. You are definitely a russo-phobe, constantly repeating the mainstream media narrative that Putin is trying to convert Russia back to the SU.

    I never said that either. Rather I put Putin more at the level of expanding for the purpose of creating a new Imperial Empire....a new era of imperial glory....as Mr. Putin wrote about in his book, First Person....rather than resurrecting the Soviet Union.
     
  10. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    Yes it is very suspicious what has happened to many of the Oil Barons in Russia. That and much of his opposition.

    - the poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko
    - radio active poisoning of Aleksandr Litvinenko
    - the poisoning of Yuri Shchekochikhin
    - the poisoning of Anna Politkovskaja

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/01/is-putin-poisoning-his-opponents/#arvlbdata

    Yet the same criticism could be said of the current Clinton body count.

    http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/liberty/liberty/bdycount.txt
    https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/20...ciate-says-he-killed-people-for-bill-hillary/

    As for the state of the economy, I find it hard to blame Russia for the state its in. Many nations are in the same situation because their economies are primarily commodity based. Especially in light of the fiscal practices of the world banks which are very much a root cause of the problem. I can't really think of one nation today that is doing well economically.

    Change is hard, especially with economic sanctions. But Russia is not the only nation with a growing poverty level. Currently in the US it is also at 14.1%

    http://www.alternet.org/election-20...ty-you-wouldnt-know-it-watching-2016-coverage

    In 2014 Russia had a lower poverty rate than the US.

    http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=69

    This statement doesn't really mean much. By comparison how much is the Private sector influencing the affairs of the state in the US and EU. I would say that they have far too much influence. Does Russia have too much influence in the private sector, possibly... but when Russia eases up on the private sector corruption reigns. To me this suggests that the private sector is not ready for more freedom.

    The same would be said if Oil prices go back up over 100 dollars a barrel, because then Russia could fund a war for invading eastern Europe.

    We both know what is going on in the middle east so I am not going to beat around it. There are two conflicting gas pipelines.

    "As Orenstein explained, “in 2009, Qatar proposed to build a pipeline to send its gas northwest via Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria to Turkey… However, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad refused to sign the plan; Russia, which did not want to see its position in European gas markets undermined, put him under intense pressure not to”.

    Russia’s Gazprom sells 80 per cent of its gas to Europe. So in 2010, Russia put its weight behind “an alternative Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline that would pump Iranian gas from the same field out via Syrian ports such as Latakia and under the Mediterranean.” The project would allow Moscow “to control gas imports to Europe from Iran, the Caspian Sea region, and Central Asia.”"

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...e-war-syria-could-destabilise-putin-103505758

    When the US did not get its way it decided to back the rebels, and create a civil war with the hopes of toppling the Assad regime. The war failed, and now Russia is backing Assad and shoring up his support. The US has only themselves to blame for what is happening in Syria. If the US never meddled in the affairs of Syria in the first place, Russia wouldn't be doing what it is doing. Like I said before, Russia doesn't meddle like the US does. If a Nation goes the opposite way of what it would like to see, it doesn't start creating chaos in that nation. It lets it go on its way.

    How many millions of people had to be displaced in an attempt by the US to try and dominate the middle east and undermine Russia?

    As for ISIS, the US created the vacuum for the entity to come into power. Everything and I mean everything the US touches falls apart.

    I noticed in the last few posts you stopped creating straw men, but if you like I can point them out to you.
     
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  11. Sorrowful Heart

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    I would argue that the MSM does not paint Putin as a reformer. We could post articles back and forth all day long on this so it becomes non debatable.

    As for myself being an apologist for Putin, I understand how you can say that. You post quotes about how bad Putin and Russia is, and I counter post. I am still waiting for many answers from you... such as the Propaganda that Russia is using to spread its errors through the world. You can believe that Russia's involvement in the Ukraine was wrong, but I continue to argue that the west meddles and Russia cleans up. How many times would Russia have acted outside its border if the west did not intrude in the affairs of other nations?

    Just because the Russian economy is weak does not mean its going to attack anyone. Like I said in the last post, if Oil goes over 100 usd/bbl is Russia then going to invade eastern europe because their economic engine can fund a war campaign? Either way they are painted as if on the edge of invading Europe. If the west quit building up military along the Russian borders I am sure we would not be having this discussion.

    You are very right to be concerned about this.
     
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  13. Sorrowful Heart

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    not sure what to make of this... but its something to consider
     
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  14. And?

    I noticed in the last few posts you stopped creating straw men, but if you like I can point them out to you.


    Just first go back and read all of your non-sequitur comparisons where the electorate itself (the people) made the choice for what they got. And the world economy is now centering in the Asian arena.

    Our own dismal situation is also due to the current regime that teethed on Commie sycophants...you know, that system of Marxism/Red Dragon that originated in Russia that has indeed spread to the rest of the world via the highly "educated" elitist lemmings. And such poverty here is based upon these same policies originating in Russia's own control of material goods by the powerful who of course still know what's best for the rest....as ordered by their own devotees to the animal farm prediction where all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. You make the mistake of comparing systems while failing to honestly note in doing so that the other systems themselves are also now poor in structure because of the very fact that they too have adopted Communistic goals that bleeds the middle class and eliminates it. They have also learned well the lesson of coming after the youngest generations, schooling them in Communistic values and eliminating the historical truths of their native lands. This has been the most obvious in the EU countries now for decades. China simply adapted Marxist/Leninism to their own needs. We though still have the ability for the people to change things but even that hope looks more and more dismal when so many have been formed by the Commie (now couched under Socialism to be more palatable) sympathizers that for the most part control what is fed to the uneducated population. Thus the lack of morality and obedience to the law and yes the new transition to dialectical materialism/atheism has certainly made its way throughout the world now....the person doesn't matter only the means for those in power to remain so. So the examples you give are all based upon this theory that had its origins in Russia and it is indeed diabolical in its goal of disorienting the vulnerable and most innocent.

    Quite simple really. I see that you defend such a system as somehow now benign where it originated and I don't. And unfortunately you have blinders on when it comes to noticing this system as being the cause for the now worldwide corruption given in your comparisons as if they too haven't the same source. The source for all atheistic regimes, however materialistic, is Satan....and thus the warning from Fatima has now unfortunately been realized. Garabandal awaits the invasion of Russian Communism into Europe as necessary first before the Warning can occur. In fact these years given over to Satan to destroy the Church per Leo XIII's experience had to wait until it had a mechanism to do so and that mechanism arrived in 1917 in the month following the last apparition of Fatima in the form of the Bolshevik revolution and the institution of Marxist/Lenin systematizing and controlling the populations....without God. Those you cite, as leaders, in comparison because they are not enclosed within designated communist countries have nonetheless the goal of instituting the Communist ideal....where only those at the top get the dachas....the NWO which actually isn't that new, only thus far segmented. Under our current regime we see this dealing, not with our historical allies, but with those who also have adopted allegiance to this system or have cooperated with this system historically for the same goal....destroying the West and what's left of true values of old.

    So I get your purpose here....not really necessary to add more citings that compare more horrors in order to somehow wash clean the new adventurism of Communism because, well, others too have been infected by the same ideology. That spread was the point I was making....Russia will spread her errors of Communism....indeed!
     
  15. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    The comparisons I make would be non-sequiturs if the people actually had a say in these actions. How many actions do the western nations make each day that no one has a say in. Currently we only have the illusion of democracy. The people never got what they voted for. No one voted

    - to leave the Gold Standard.
    - for FIAT currency.
    - for privately held central banks

    These were all actions taken deceitfully by certain powers, behind closed doors, as a power grab with the guise of democracy and freedom.

    “The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. ”

    Thomas Jefferson

    So what you are saying is that the errors of Russia have ALREADY spread through out the world. This is what I have repeated over and over in this debate. That Relativism and Materialism has already spread through the West. But just because it originated in Russia, does not mean that Russia is continuing to spread those messages. That ended with the end of the cold war, as there was no other choice because that economic system failed.

    I agree with you that the agenda of the NWO has been to adopt many of the devices of communism, under the guise of democratic capitalism. This is why I continue to use the US and EU as a comparison. I am not saying democracy and capitalism is bad, I am pointing to the fact that it does not really exist today. On this point I believe we are in agreement.

    What I am arguing is that Russia is not the one spreading the errors currently. To me it is clearly the agenda of the NWO that is spreading them.

    We both agree on this, yes the origins are in Russia. But please show me the propaganda that Russia is currently using to spread the errors of Communism today, not the historical origins of the errors. You are the one who keeps saying that it is Russia who keeps spreading Communism. I am saying that it is the NWO using every tool it has, such as the UN, the EU, and other nations that have privately held central banks.

    I am not defending Russia as if it were innocent as being the source of where communism originated. I am simply pointing out the changes in the Nation, and these changes are very positive. The only blinders I see are those you are wearing as you cannot let go of the cold war, and see that Russia is not a communist country anymore. Especially since it does not bow down to the agenda of the NWO. If communism enters into Garabandal, it won't be coming from Russia, it will have its origins in the EU. The Garabandal messages do not specifically mention Russia as the source of communism. It could even be argued that communism has already entered into Garabandal via the EU.

    I disagree that Russia is still following a communist agenda. If you have facts that point to this, please post them I have an open mind. As for the rest of the western world, yes I agree with you. There are far to many facts that stand in the way of your theory that Russia and the West are in league to bring about a one world government together.

    This is what I have said all along, that the errors have already spread. Hence why I cited so many examples and facts. But again this does not mean that Russia STILL has communist aims. Nor does it mean that Russia is in league with the west to bring about an NWO.

    Why wouldn't Russia just join the EU?
    Why does Russia desire a separate pipeline from the one the US desires?
    Why would Russia get involved in the Ukraine, and not let the west walk all over it?
    Why does Russia keep on building its military?
    Why doesn't Russia have a privately owned central bank?

    These questions all point to the fact that Russia stands in the way of the NWO and its communistic agenda, instead of aligning with it. If you can somehow point out reasons why Russia and the NWO are in league I will be more than happy to read them. But so far I have seen nothing but speculation on your part.
     
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  16. davidtlig

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    Wow, SH, your replies are quite something! I think you might even 'wear down' ETA which I previously would have thought impossible... ;) I generally find myself agreeing with ETA on many topics but definitely not on this topic of Russia.
     
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  17. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    I really enjoy learning about the world, and how events are unfolding, especially in light of prophecy. It is good to debate like this because it removes a lot of ambiguities and brings out a lot of information that might not be known otherwise. So it is not my intent to wear down ETA, but instead attempt to have a better grasp on what is unfolding in the world through debate.

    I get to fact check many of my own observations, fact check his observations... and compare them to the global context. If I see something that stands out, I point it out.
     
  18. But just because it originated in Russia, does not mean that Russia is continuing to spread those messages.

    Um, I didn't say it.....the Blessed Mother did. Far be it for me to doubt either her or the reality of same continuing to this day.

    This thread is about the propaganda video organized by Putin to excuse his own responsibility in the past system that continues to want control beyond his current boundaries. It is about his own goals for fitting within this NWO. Russia doesn't stand in the way of the NWO.....it is being used to help create the chaos so necessary for the figure to arrive who will mandate the means for survival for all. It is as much a tool as anyone else esp. since there is a personal moral code still missing there. Russia also wishes to survive the ultimate disasters and has developed its own underground bunkers for those in power who wish to remain so.

    To quote Peter B in this discussion, if I may, re: this "NWO" video:

    Leaving aside the question of Oliver Stone's political preferences, just who is Sahra Wagenknecht, the Bundestag member who features extensively in this film? She was vice-president of Die Linke (having been a Communist Platform member of the ex-DDR PDS party, her early academic work in the 1990s having been on Karl Marx's interpretation of Hegel).

    The most chilling quote from Vladimir Putin comes at 1:07:20. 'As far back as 50 years ago, I learned a good lesson in Leningrad streets: if fight is inevitable, it's you who should hit the first!' Think about the geo-political implications here, then Google the words 'ZAPAD military exercises'.
     
  19. If anyone has taken Peter B's advice about finding out more re: 'ZAPAD military exercises' then perhaps they might have learned about a stark reality still to this day that can only elicit an unpleasant, to say the least, chill up one's spine....esp. the spines of those closest to that reality:

    In many ways, Union Shield 2015 was overshadowed by the largest Russian

    military exercise of this year, Tsentr (“Center”) 2015, which was carried out in

    late September across central and southern Russia. Nonetheless, Union Shield

    was an important extension to what may have been one of the most

    consequential, Europe-focused Russian regional exercises of the past several

    years—Zapad 2013. This massive, two-year-old exercise remains pertinent to

    study and understand because of what it reveals about Russian capabilities

    along the border with NATO, how Russia trains its forces and understands its

    threat environment, as well as the way in which Moscow uses such large-scale

    exercises as a smoke-screen to obscure the deployment of its Armed Forces to

    regional hotspots beyond Russian borders. These are important lessons to

    learn and internalize not only against the background of Russia’s aggression

    against Ukraine in early 2014, following the Zapad 2013 exercises, but also

    with a view to Russia’s partially concealed buildup in Syria this fall, on the

    heels of the Tsentr 2015 maneuvers. Almost certainly, Moscow will utilize such

    a modus operandi in future conflicts as well.

    .......
    In many ways, this large scale war scenario reflected the continuing hold of

    the dysfunctional and discredited Soviet military model on the Russian

    military-political mind. As Karl Marx famously observed, “the dead hand of

    all the generations of the past weighs like a nightmare upon the brain of the

    living”—so it is with the Russian military and political leadership.

    ......
    Beyond those points, it is also clear that Russia regards NATO as an enemy,

    despite concurrent cooperation with it. Indeed, just before these exercises,

    Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Valdai Club forum that NATO is an

    enemy because of its pursuit of a comprehensive ballistic missile defense

    system and the Alliance’s continuing expansion (RIA Novosti, FBIS SOV,

    September 19, 2013). Missile defense, by Russian admission, will not represent

    a threat to Russia before 2020. Moreover, NATO has not accepted new

    members in years and no further enlargement is planned for the time being.

    These facts, coupled with NATO’s diminishing military strength in the face of

    budget austerity, called into question the seriousness of Russia’s stated threat

    assessments, particularly prior to the Russian aggression against Ukraine

    starting in 2014.

    More:

    http://www.jamestown.org/uploads/media/Zapad_2013_-_Full_online_final.pdf
     
  20. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    This sums it up. It makes little difference to the average person whether all the power is in the hands of a politburo or a handful of mega rich major shareholders in transnational companies. God has no place in their lives and Christianity especially is not compatible with their goals. They all use fear to control people, whether it be fear of an imminent invasion or fear of loss of livelihood. They divide and conquer and must always have some kind of existential threat to maintain control of the masses.
     
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