The Synod has started....

So, if Peter decentralizes his power, he still is protected in faith and morals but none of the other bishops are. What say you about that?

 

The Benedict Option. It's time. Contact me if interested and you're in the Southeast US

 

When is there going to be any clarity on these issues?

 

PIC...I must say you really concern me. Your getting more reactionary... What ifs I have no answer for...I trust the Church ! You and others not so much...just sayin

 

I just saw that the Pope has decided he will be releasing an Apostolic Exhortation. This is usually what happens after a synod, but there had been some indecision on whether he would or not.

The article:
Synod: “Pope is to prepare an Apostolic Exhortation,” Parolin informs


Pietro Parolin

The Vatican Secretary of State gave a speech at the end of the international conference held at the Gregorian University to mark the 50th anniversary of the Nostra Aetate declaration. “There is an urgent need to teach peace, not the fatalism of war”. Regarding the risk involved in his visit to the Central African Republic, Parolin said: "Francis is not afraid"

Pope Francis is to promulgate an Apostolic Exhortation on the Family based on the conclusions of the Synod of Bishops. The Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin said this in a statement to Italian news agency ANSA, at the end of the international conference on the 50th Anniversary of "Nostra Aetate" - the Declaration on the Relation of the Church with Non-Christian Religions of the Second Vatican Council - held at the Gregorian University. In a comment regarding the timing of the Exhortation, he said: “This I do not know, but I don’t think it will be long. After all, it’s best to strike when the iron’s hot.”

When asked whether the Pope is expected to publish a document following the conclusion of the Synod meetings on the family, Parolin said: “yes, and it will take the form of an Apostolic Exhortation, following Synod tradition.” “As the end of the concluding report states,” Parolin added, “the Synod Fathers offer material to the Pope, requesting a document if he considers this appropriate.”

Regarding Francis’ trip to Africa, including a visit to the Central African Republic, at the end of November, Parolin said: “I don’t think he is afraid, if he was, he wouldn’t go. But the Pope goes everywhere.” It was him who wanted to add this leg to the journey given “the conflict in the Central African Republic”, in order to encourage peace and for this reason “he is prepared to take any potential risks”. “There are concerns,” the Vatican Secretary of State explained, “but I imagine that the fact the Pope is going means the conditions are right for him to visit. So these phenomena are under control at least for the Pope’s visit. The fact that the visit is going ahead means that the minimum requirements have been met and that he will be able to complete his scheduled visit.”

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/parolin-parolin-parolin-44309/

 

At first I thought you meant something with Benedict XVI. I thought what the heck is this? The I looked it up. I had never heard of it. I am still not quite sure what it is about, could you explain a little?

 

I told myself that I would not get involved in any pre-final-synod talk and I see that I jumped in on this too quickly. So I see the concerns and you've raised some important questions Padraig. I'm looking forward to hearing more about what this means, namely through our parish (which BTW already offers sessions on sexuality, love, etc for tween, teens and young adults).

In looking at the Italian text, the intro text in para 58 talks about all the teachings out there that are contrary to Christian values and the importance of having pastoral courses over and above what the family teaches. I read the intent of the text as wanting parishes to offer courses to counter the public ones. I also wonder if the wording in para 58..." non può essere.." translated on English blogs as "..cannot be the only place for teaching sexuality", should be translated into "must not be" or "should not be..."

Does this make sense?

Also, about the village raising kids, I googled that and see that Hilary Clinton wrote a book about it, no doubt usurping the good side of that age-old phrase. I used the phrase in ignorance of any agenda associated with it. Of course, parents must remain in charge, totally in charge, of the teachings on this one. It's just that in my "village" view, I'm thinking of how things should be...

 

We've lost the country, Praetorian. I think we've known it for a while, but now even our elected "republican" reps have turned on us with the budget fiasco they'll put in place today. That'll be the final fiscal nail in the coffin for this economy. We've lost the culture, we are no longer a Christian country, we are literally men (and women) without a country now. That doesn't mean we have to sit here and take it, there are things we can do and we can talk offline if you want more info. Here's some info on the concept: http://theweek.com/articles/555734/...t-considering-allout-withdrawal-from-politics and http://www.worldmag.com/2015/06/rod_dreher_explains_the_benedict_option

 

Yes Hillary Clinton's book created the idea that "it takes a village" (essentially meaning socialism) to raise your children. This is where the battle is won or lost. Either handing down our values to our children or letting the community and the state do it.

“Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.”
― Vladimir Ilich Lenin

 

I kind of do this already. I came back to the faith a year ago and since then my eyes have been opened to how rotten this culture truly is. I didn't see it before, but like St. Paul my eyes were opened. Essentially I see almost everything in the culture as "tainted". The movies, music, TV shows, radio. Even seemingly "innocent" ones invariable contain blasphemies etc. I am in my own cultural retreat of sorts.

 

Andre, I understood what you meant on your first post...it takes a village. In America, that phrase says HILLARY, but in the context of your post, to me. It was clear you were talking about a Catholic/Christian village helping children, not the govt. To aid parents...etc Just how I read you Andre

 

Yes, that's step 1. Realize that the culture is sick, it literally is infected and you have to insulate yourself and family from it to keep from catching the disease. But that's just step 1. Things are progressing rapidly and we'll need to take additional physical steps to form small communities to support one another and insulate ourselves from the crash that's coming. Anyone is welcome to PM me if interested in talking more offline

 

WARNING.... Roe v Wade in 1973....America DIED... were just wakeing up to the continued dead fruit since. Democrats now promote communist idels and Republicans promote Democrat idels from the 90's/early 2000's...they are slowly transforming us, if you will

 

My problem , I think Andree would not be in that otehrs should be involved in whatever aspects of childrens education as people think good. I don't know enough to say one way or another.

My concern would be if we said as a Dictat that parents MUST involve others in certain aspects of their own children's education.
That we limit choice.

Liberals are so very fond of Dictats that constrain Freedoms. That we tell them what they should do in each and every circumstance. Frankly that we limit Freedom.

This strikes me as cooked up in a Liberal cook book. 'You must do this for your own good Liberal Paternalism.'

I may be wrong in this I hope I am.

It just makes me edgy.

It seems to me the Freedoms of Parents and how they bring up their own children are particularly Sacred Ground.

 

you are 100% correct, sir

 

Don't feel out of your depth, Padraig. This is a measured, sober and honest criticism of the proposal. It was pleasing to see a serious critique of this aspect without using a bludgeon or a broadsword. This is the sort of critique that can lead to real clarification and change. Would that we had more of it.

 

Thanks Charlie.

I sense when people coton on to this it is indeed going to generate some very considerable heat indeed.

I have no children and so can be fairly laid back. Even so , on general principle, I am very concerned.

I think this is going to be a hard horse to sell.

 

Papa Francis will give clarification and/or Change on this non binding document upon our Church.
No?

 

I prayerfully don't think Pope Francis has long to live myself.

But if he lives long enough I suppose he will.

 

If Papa Francis doesn't give Harmony our next Papa will in continuity....the way its Always been.
I have no worries at all!

Come Holy Ghost
Creator Blessed
and in our hearts
take up thy rest.